It’s a fitting connection. Reading his manifesto sounded much like the same arguments I hear from those in the Anti-AI use lobby today. Spurious talk of ‘crushing human spirit’ and ‘endless misery’ when in reality without technological advance we’d be rolling around in the muck and mire of superstition, and many still in fact do.
The luddite fallacy of there being no jobs because automation/AI takes them away has been proven false time and time again.
Bro is NOT reading 
Agreed, and this touches on people being ultimately selfish in the sense that they don’t tend mind as long as something like this doesn’t tread upon their own yard.
Some roleplayers may be fine with using AI images for character visuals, but wouldn’t be okay with another person roleplaying with them using AI generated texts.
Some writers may be okay using AI generated illustrations to advertise their work, while simultaneously abhoring the idea of AI taking over creative writing.
Some visual artists may be okay with using Chat GPT to help them with stories / writing, but feel unsettled with the idea of AI taking over visual arts.
Some film makers may be okay with using AI audio generators to create content for their production, but wouldn’t want AI make their own input irrelevant.
Human models may be fine with using AI for [something], but detest the idea of photoshoot opportunities being replaced by AI models.
And so it goes. I think it’d be good for creatives from many different fields to practice some respect and sympathy for each other’s position affected by this.
“Ned Ludd” literally didn’t exist and was a figure they used a pseudonym to send letters to mill owners. Furthermore, Luddites didn’t have a problem with machines, Luddites had a problem with the fact that these machines were replacing many laborers across the country and leaving them without a job in the middle of the economical hardships of the Napoleonic Wars and its economical crisis, so, no,
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Trying to frame him as a ‘Luddite’ as if they harbored the same ideals or even for the same reasons is like trying to frame anti-smoking campaigns as exclusively a part of the agenda of a very particular totalitarian ideology in the 20th century because they also ran anti-smoking campaigns.
More like AI-fart amirite. Seriously though, thank you for sharing these posts!
The AIs are trained on other people’s work without their consent and without compensation. Art is a want not a need, engaging with AI “”“”“”“”“art”“”“”“”" out of laziness is tacit approval of the theft.
That alone is enough reason to not use them, the second being that all they produce is the least-error of all the biases they were fed producing nothing but boring, mindless sludge.
The Unabomber was a misanthrope who tacked on eco-terrorist ideology to justify his insanity.
Amdusias is posting rubbish and honestly just derailing an otherwise good-natured discussion
Why use AI art anyway? Every person I’ve seen with AI art as their art in about ends up linking to a conventionally attractive dark haired man with a goatee or short beard.
At that point, you may as well all link to the same picture of Orlando Bloom.
Yes. I know. I am talking of Ludd as the zeitgeist of the movement.
You know, like Father Christmas being the symbol of consumerism, that kind of thing. I didn’t think I’d need to explain that.
Which as I just said, was a fallacy, as it is now. Technology increases the number of jobs available, not decreases.
There’s no ‘try’, by his own word he described the same type of idea coming out of similar opponents to new technology a century plus beforehand. You can split hairs on semantics if you’d like but a duck which sounds like a duck and walks like a duck is… generally a duck?
Don’t forget vegetarian and veganism too.
Yes, and North Korea describes themselves as a democratic’s people’s republic.
Bro has not read Industrial Society and It’s Future
And every nation which puts
“Democratic” “People’s” in their title are in fact never that.
So maybe the man yelling “IM A DUCK IM A DUCK IM A DUCK” while sending you funny packages from his shack in the woods isn’t actually a duck and doesn’t represent duck beliefs
I would sooner like to see people share their awful, terrible art with awful, terrible anatomy than using AI Generated images as references. The beauty in art is not the objective quality of it but the beauty of self expression and communication. When you show me your art you are showing me your world in your eyes, how you see your character exactly. You are showing me you have dedicated time to learning and practicing just so you can communicate to me.
AI generated images cannot replicate that, it is soulless and dull. It is not a person trying to communicate, it is just a regurgitation of someone else’s time and energy thrown through a blender of commercial value.
Additionally, if you as a roleplayer cannot convey your characters appearance through text and roleplay alone then I am afraid you are simply a bad writer and a bad roleplayer. Everything in roleplay takes place in the theatre of the mind, if you cannot set the stage then you are doing something horribly wrong.
I am the firm believer that everyone can cook. Just like how you were born unable to write, it is a skill that everyone is able to learn and improve upon and get better at expressing themselves through. Art is the exact same, there is no “cant draw” disease anyone is born with. “Talented” artists are not born that good. It is years and years and years of making bad awful terrible artwork that got them there. AI users are ultimately cowards who are afraid to make bad art, and they should not be rewarded for that.
And then, if you ignore all of that, you could simply just say whats the harm, however it is proven that AI is built on stolen artwork. It is immorally stealing other peoples voices and work to regurgitate these wonky three-armed abominations. It is
If you are insistent on having “high quality” artwork of your character, it is not even that expensive. Patrol social medias or websites such as fiver and you will find artists who will draw your character to a beautiful standard for less than a fiver. You can even find artists offering free sketches online, there is so much you could do!
But at the end of the day, there is simply no excuse, no valid reasoning. If you use AI generated images at all I will take it as my red flag to outright avoid you. If you cannot respect artists or care enough to research these things, why would I want to hang out with you? I do not pay my sub to hang out with callous people, so I won’t stick around when you show your colours.
I am begging you, just try to draw. I promise you that you will be good one day. Keep making bad art, make terrible awful art every single day, and you will one day make something you are really proud of, and I would love to see it and celebrate it with you.
What a disgusting take, gtfo, the most gate-keep, elitest take i’ve seen all week.
I’ve met and befriended many people over the years on this server who started out as lacking in verbage to describe something in flowery detail, and they only got better by being around people who could.
I won’t use AI art because I have money to spend on artists, do I wish I could take the time to learn to draw? Absolutely - but I do not. I will not belittle or briagde people for using AI art because it could be through ignorance of the source of AI generation. I will ignore the people flaunting it as a “get back” at actual artists.
I’ve never had this problem. Sure if you’re overly vague with your inputs you will end up with McGeneric DeHandsome Squidward in every output. But I’ve managed to make (to my own taste of course, because art is impossible to be objective) some pretty good bits. Of course you get goofs every so often, but as with all things you curate what you want, pick and choose the best parts.
And then after that I run the bits I like best through photoshop to touch up the graphical flaws that sometimes get out (egg eyes, extra fingers, that kind of thing). I think when people complain about the quality of the art they are referring to those who just dump generic inputs and get poor outputs in turn.
I for one cannot wait for tools like Nightshade to proliferate widely so it can be shown even more clearly how useless generative AI currently is without stolen work
I’m sorry I should have clarified, there is nothing wrong with being bad. As I said earlier, you should keep being bad and be bad often, that is the only way of getting good. I’m just saying that AI generated images are not a good crutch, you should focus on developing your skills instead.
I believe you are agreeing with me, these people only got better by continuing to try, they kept roleplaying and they kept writing. That is absolutely amazing! They should! Just as they should with artwork. You see how both are the same right?
I love seeing people be bad at things, because I know one day they will be good at it, with patience and effort. Just as people we have met have gotten better.
I agree with several of your points, with one somewhat topical exception.
I don’t quite agree that everything in roleplay takes place in the mind. Not in this day and age. It might have been the case years ago, but with the dawning of RP addons, voice references and custom character art became fairly mainstream in the landscape of AD.
This isn’t to say that it can’t be done. Indeed, I would be soundly impressed by someone relying on no external references or meta-information-sharing, giving it their all through their writing chops alone. Results may vary, but none can say it isn’t dedication to the ‘craft’.
Ultimately a pointless effort. All this will end up doing is strengthening the technology to work past the ‘poison’. Its making the hydra stronger as it were.
You honestly haven’t been on AD very long have you.
Ecce Superbium.
What trite remarks. Elitism at its finest.
Perhaps understand that there are those who do not live in the sheltered bubble of reality that you are privy to.
My thoughts exactly. If people want to use a tool to add to their experience then they should. It’s not as if you the roleplayer on the other side are so harmed and damaged by some goofy machine arranging pixels in such a way that offends someones precious vision.
You’d think RP was a JOB for some people, and honestly by how some act on this forum it probably is.