Hello, why is alchemy in so bad state right now? its because the wild experiments which use 20 herbs going to waste by FAILING everytime. Just so you know…
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Blizzard tried experimenting with it but also ended up exploding.
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Just use Meticulous Experimentation. There is no reason to use Wild one with the other one always granting a recipe unless you have gold to burn. You can somewhat force the recipes you want by using herbs that are part of the recipe.
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I did alchemy just yesterday, and outside of 2 flasks learnt everything and exploding just 4 times.
My biggest gripes are with the insane skill level needed or insane mat costs or patron orders ffs.
Ye i tought they will somehow help me but there is like only few that are good…
I would welcome some of them being like ALL mats provided by the patron…
Or at least give more gold 
Yeah… this way of discovering recepies isnt my forte either
Too much RNG here. You can either get something good early on or spend a month trying to get it. Wild Experimentation isn’t worth it as soon as you’ve got access to Meticulous and then you’re just stuck to a cooldown
Not only that, but I’ve got absolutely no idea what “ingredients” im supposed to experiment with since the game tells you nothing about what the “correct” ingredients are to discover something
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So it’s like Jewelcrafting prospecting 100+ ores and getting only useless stones and barely any gems?
It does. You use the herbs that are part of the recipes you wish to unlock.
Are you saying that because you know that, or because that’s what you believe based on deductions from experience?
Im not interested in speculation, only in hard facts.
I tried over 30 wild experimentations today and got absolutely nothing worth mentioning. You can’t keep people in the dark like that, that’s just bad design.
I went through a “guide” on a 3rd party website and it said to experiment with x herb to get x recepi and thats exactly what happened, same order… all 1 shots. Just like that. And now I’m not getting anything. It makes me highly suspicious of the inner workings of the system
They stated Meticulous always grants a recipe. The people that reported it didnt give them anything always used herbs they had all recipes unlocked of.
Then take what it is written ingame and what they stated. The Meticulous always grants a recipe and the recipes state to use relevant herbs.
Wild is stated to be a low chance. That’s why its repeatable with a 15min CD (or 10 or whatever it is after the last change. I havent touched that filth after the change since the amount of recipes we have to unlock are low).
Which experiment and do you have all recipes that have that herb in it unlocked? The Vicious flasks are NOT unlocked through the experiment in case you’re trying those.
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It also keeps doing it. Used Arathors spear which would give me either Mastery or Versa and I received the versa flask. The only other option was Unwavering Focus
Nah just anything honestly. I tried a few different herbs but I still have unlocks from all of them
An acceptably low chance would be like one in 10, 200 herbs for 1 discovery. Not less than 3%, thats just a scam. At that point you should either inform people that that isnt how you want them to discover new recepies or take away the option entirely
Feels pretty much the same as in Dragonflight where the thingy was equally bad. Arguably worse even since you got locked out longer without the thingy that removed the CD if you failed (I believe it was 1hr or 2hrs). Thing exploded pretty much constantly.
I wouldn’t waste my time with wild at all anymore.
No I feel that. I just think that wild should become what meticulous is automatically by either inferring a cooldown once a certain set of discoveries are made or replace the spell itself. Either way, the way its done now is misleading at best
I agree that Wild should at least state that its borderline bad. Something along the lines of “only a madman would do such an experiment and expect results”
I agree. Alchemy is awful this expansion. I got 5 or 6 wild experiment failures in a row and stopped even trying and wasting my precious mats.
I will just have to learn one potion a day.
Btw gathering professions are terrible as well. Nodes giving 1 or 2 herbs/ore’s and the overloads are terrible as well not giving much more than that. I don’t know what the idea was here…
Gets better with more knowledge point investment. Was the same in DF. Feels awful at start, gets better over time (skill points and finesse basically)
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The trick, me and a guildy found, was to go into Alchemy Mastery first so we could craft the potion that removed the cooldown from exploding.
This then allowed us to spam experiment until we had it all.
But that is nothing really,
The healing potion for example, a Basic and staple item of alchemy for a long long time. To make this at rank 2 now needs 258 skill. Thats getting alchemy to 100 and then having a further 158 knowledge points applied, unless you use up that vital concentration.
Cauldrons, the mats it requires to make it (im ignoring the skill for the moment which is over 400 btw for R2, R3 is over 800) are mental. By the way, your cauldrons can only give others what you know. So if you only know potion of swiftness, thats all anyone can get from your cauldron. Same goes for flasks.
Then come the mats needed to make these cauldrons, which are insane already, but then you need a Crystalforged Cauldron from the vendor which costs 57k gold.
Dont worry you get this back once you used your cauldron, but unless you invest in these you can only make 1 cauldron at a time.
Also Cauldrons are warbound, but when you pick the Crystalforged Cauldron up, its bind on Pickup (spoiler alert), and selling it back to a vendor gives you 5g.
I get the feeling teh devs wanted to slow us down so ranks align more with seasons, but if that was their goal, why did they simply not just say R 2 and R3 are unobtainable at this time. And what on earth was the decision making process behind the costs involved in alchemy ?
Well i do have a weapon with finesse and 80 points in the trees and it’s still kind of bad. There is only a bit more of finesse to get. But, it still feels terrible to go to a lush node, for example and get one herb rank 3. Like wtf lol. What was lush about that? 
Imo JC is even worse than Alchemy. The rng of the mats you need and the amount of things you need to do to get certain ones. The issue is also the lack of gems like you mentioned.
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