I’ve actually laid out my reasoning, in detail, in multiple threads. But i’ll distil it down to a single statement that you might be able to grasp:
Anything that encourages the formation or support of player driven social interactions and communities, I’m for. If it doesn’t do that, or actively detracts from it (like RDF) I’m against it.
Simple enough?
Yes, I do understand it. However, if thats true and you are consistent, you are against crossfaction battlegrounds/non premade battlegrounds altogether, battleground queue from anywhere, the new LFG-tool that requires about as little social interaction as RDF (even the need to type), against dual specialization, against auction houses, against guild banks, against flying mounts, against server transfers and much more. However, I see you only blame RDF for less social activity. Since its part of wotlk, part of the game, removing all the other things should be just as reasonable for you.
You’ve just listed a bunch of stuff - most of which is actually encouraging player to play the game.
This discussion is pointless - because you aren’t discussing, you have decided you’re right and are spewing incoherent nonsense as if sheer volume of idiocy is, in itself, an argument.
Take some time off the forums to play the game.
As I said in another thread, RDF was actually a part of TBC as well, THe new things about RDF in 3.3.0 eas that it was Battlegroup-wide (not really Xrealm) and the ‘bribes’ for completing random dungeons.
I think we all need to read up on the Dungeon finder, as none of us seem to remember how it really worked back then. I surely did not (Most of all for not using it until the end of Wrath)
Scroll down on this page and read the history of RDF all the way back to TBC :D.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dungeon_Finder
It wasn’t part of WOTLK for 14 months during pre patch, launch, Naxx, Ulduar, Trial of the Crusader and then they introduced it along with ICC and RDF was part of the last 10 months of the game when nothing really happened.
RDF does encourage many players to play more group content, too.
Its not about right or wrong. Players want RDF to find groups faster and with less frustration. You are against it, because you think it might harm your experience, without further prove, other than that the game changed over the years and it has to be RDF thats at fault. This is the main point of the discussion. That i am “spewing incoherent nonsense” is your own inability to understand the discussion.
The one we have in classic is the they had in tbc originaly so not RDF, but DF related but not the same
So battlegrounds werent part of vanilla, because they werent present at release? This reasoning is beyond reason.
Btw, ICC was opened over 3 months and after that ruby was released, too. It was a long time, but its not like nothing happened for 10 full months, and its not the point either way.
EDIT: I misread his post.
Really hard to argue with straw men.
You are saying that the argument is that RDF was part of Wotlk. I just pointed out that it wasn’t party of the vast majority or the content or time. I did not make the argument you are debunking.
Again with the straw manning. I did not write that nothing happened. I wrote that nothing really happened. If you played Wotlk you would know that feeling of a really really really long period at the end of Wotlk when nothing really happened.
I remember 26 weeks of no deathbringers will dropping for my guild. That really stings in 2v2.
Like the RDF!
Did you just say this to your image in an mirror?
I think I really misread your post. I assume because I didnt expect you to make a totally unrelated statement. If it was introduced eariler or 60% into the expansion isnt an argument for or against RDF. Its only relevant when it comes to when to introduce the feature.
No the argument is that it’s a toxic hellhole that ruins the game and have no place in any version of classic.
I’m justly pointing out that your argument that it was part of Wotlk is bad because it was only part of the end.
Bgs wasn’t part of classic at launch neither. They came in phase 3. We didnt even have honor in phase 1.
For you its a hellhole, for others its the awaited salvation for their toxic experiences caused by group finding right now.
I think the argument is as valid as it can be. Same as my example that with the same reasoning battlegrounds could be excluded from vanilla wow, because they werent present by release. RDF was introduced after 14 months of wotlk, arathi basin was introduced after 10 months in vanilla. Batteground badges got released another 3 months later. However, that was never a reason to not include them in vanilla, same as it should never be a reason to exclude RDF from wotlk.
Noone would have even thought about that if it wasnt to find arguments for not adding RDF.
Delete the buff then, problem solved, next.
Liar. I want to know the name of the server that you tried.
Of course i do, because by chance by magic overnight you say you have this experience. Funny that overnight you can now tell me i’m wrong.
Again, delete the buff and problem solved.
Bad faith you know that it’s possible but you just avoid this possibility to just pretend RDF is bad.
Hee sorry but you are the kind of person that want to ruin the game while pro Wotlk waited 4 years to get it and saying good buy to private serv for ever.
No reason to not put it day one.
As there is no reason to keep 3sc mount casting
As there is no reason to keep 100 things that i can list from the patch 3.0.9 to 3.2.2
You’re glad but the sad thing is you even don’t know why, or you think you do, but you don’t.
And you are lobbying to prove RDF is bad, but currently no one here proved it because you all call your old memories stuck 10 years ago. Already explained that to someone before.
And ? It’s better to give the experience for the real pro-Wotlk players than Classic players because this game is not for them, as Classic is not for pro-Wotlk.
And again, no one real pro-Wotlk want to play it without RDF.
If Blizzard wants to focus to another community, ok, just say it clearly. But for now there are just blind because they don’t know what they are talking about and are hearing stuck old players.
And guess what, almost everyone posting about they don’t want RDF just played on Wotlk retail and stopped the game after that. So they have an outdated opinion while someone never stopped to play see the mentality changed on the same game and know what’s the reality and the practice today in 2022.
And as our friend said :
Jesus are you serious ? Isn’t the hypocrites Classic players ?
“If you want this feature from Wotlk on Classic go Retail”
“Classic is a game for us, if you don’t like this things on it then you don’t like the game go retail”
etc. etc.
And now in 2022 these Classic players want to own the game of pro-Wotlk and telling them they are hypocrite ? Really ?
Don’t feed him.
98% of the counter argument are in my first post, and already answered to the problem of the buff on this post.
The very definition of that word is “Classic players”, as i explained just before.
Exactly, you never played on pservers so you even don’t know how Wotlk is now.
As old retail vanilla players in 2019 don’t know how it really was in the game now, when Classic was released, they staid suprised by the fact that the game wasn’t like 15 years ago.
Again =>
Because you are a pro-Vanilla like players, that’s it.
Because in 2019 the Vanilla community was very present on the forum and a part of them came from Nostalrius and defended Classic so hard to not get a Vanilla 2.0 reworked. And as pro-Xexpansion players, we just couldn’t forced Blizzard to put RDF just because it wasn’t our game. But now hyprocrite Classic players want to force us to play like them on our game. Without any good argumente as i explained on my first post.
Heu excuse me but who left Classic ERA ? Also, i don’t see many post from your community to keep a TBC ERA.
So you want to ruin the experience of pro-Wotlk players, we have to adapt us to your community ? While you all literally left Classic ERA ?
And the for the anti social, you are just a troll, or you didn’t read my first post, or you don’t want to understand. Let me re quote =>
Retail is not Wotlk, so, you are out-dated.
I played on Classic 2019 and TBC also, so, again, you’re wrong.
Yes we got 2-3 trolls in this topic, but my first topic still strong against them. The only argument they have is “It was bad” while we are explaining to them the currently present. But they don’t want to hear us, they are just here to troll and think their opinion are strong, remember the opinion of Classic players just before the game was released ? How many people expressed their disappointment disillusionment on “The game was not like this before”, “It has changed”
Well, this topic is now boring because of 3 trolls, talking for nothing and creating a loop.
Stop with that nonsense. People want RDF because it’s convenient.
I know you think that but it’s asinine. I’m am telling you this now. Especially when you bring up battlegrounds that was specifically delayed in classic.
The reason to exclude RDF from ALL OF CLASSIC forever is that’s it’s a toxic hellhole that destroys social interactions when playing dungeons. But I am not demanding that and I have not seen anyone who does. We are ok with RDF when ICC is released. We don’t like it, but that was part of Wotlk along with ICC. So we would tolerate that in classic Wotlk.
But that’s not what your side demand. You demand RDF from launch or before ICC and that is unacceptable.
Its also not 15% but 5%, its there for randoms, if you have premade, you dont need it, or shouldnt need … and if you are really that desperate to have it, you can make 4man group and join RDF, it activates with single random person …
That stackable up to 15% buff was added later …
No one is reading you’re wall of text. i suggest you learn how teh internet works.
tl;dr.
Thank you for sharing your opinion, but I disagree. RDF goes against the philosophy of MMORPG. If you can’t understand that then I’m not sure you want to play an actual MMORPG.
I can’t say anything against that and i understand the thing, but sadly there’s a reality you have to face, as old vanilla players had to face when they realize despite them that the game wasn’t as they thought.
If the project is to made a real MMORPG, don’t worry i’m here to share some ideas but that’s not the point here. Wotlk Classic is here to provide Wotlk first and we are here for that, and when we started to play Classic or TBC to prepare our character for that, it’s not to get a Wotlk Vanilla at the end.