All tanks are nerfed for TWW. Where is the dungeon tuning to compensate?

[Petergrippín-stormscale]

For those who don’t know, Blizzard made a substantial, sweeping nerf to all tanks a few weeks ago.

Tank Tuning in The War Within

With the introduction of the Dragonflight talents system and season-over-season changes, tanks in World of Warcraft have become extremely durable relative to non-tank characters. Their active defenses can mitigate high percentages of incoming damage and they have strong self-healing. Today, in the hardest content in the game, many tanks can sustain themselves without much assistance from healers. In some cases, we’ve seen it become optimal to do group content without a healer at all. World of W…

Continuing the discussion from Tank Tuning in The War Within:

@Kaivax

Tank durability can cause some other problems as well, especially in challenging endgame content, that we want to work toward improving.

• Enemy damage has increased to challenge tanks, but if it’s increased too much, it gets spiky and puts tanks in significant danger if their defenses ever drop. This can lead to tanks getting killed rapidly, seemingly out of nowhere. We feel this is unsatisfying and would prefer tank damage to generally be evenly distributed, but still threatening over time.
• If tanks are not threatened enough, then the most challenging part of endgame content can become keeping DPS and healers alive, often against high burst damage. Making tank survival a more involving element of group gameplay could give us some freedom to ease up on the threat to other group members.

To address the above, we’re making reductions to tank durability and self-healing. This will allow us to smooth out the damage tanks and parties take while retaining the challenge of keeping them alive over time. We’ll take those changes into account in encounter tuning as well.

Tanks will take more damage overall, but shouldn’t die significantly more often.

To increase the overall damage tanks take and their reliance on healers, we’re primarily increasing the percentage of damage they take, after mitigation, from steady damage sources like physical attacks. We’re making fewer reductions to each class’s defenses against burst damage or other threats that are currently most likely to be lethal to them. Encounters will be tuned with this in mind so the character of tank damage changes, but the lethality of it doesn’t significantly increase.

Tank damage intake should be steady and not too fast.

One of our goals for these changes is to smooth out the rate tanks take damage to reduce surprise, spiky deaths. Healers should have time to respond to tank health and tanks should have time to use self-heals like Word of Glory or Celestial Brew. For some classes, we’re increasing their passive defenses to compensate for decreases to more active or reactive defensive mechanics. Tankbusters will still create challenging moments that reward tanks for planning and smart use of cooldowns.

These are all valid points, except that you haven’t done anything in terms of tuning or encounter design outside of nerfing Fortified scaling by 10%. Sure there are 4 weeks left until TWW launch, but the overall problem is I am 99,9% certain that you finished designing the entire expansion and encounters before someone came up with the idea that all tanks needs to get nerfed.
The dungeon design is still pretty much like in Dragonflight with lots of unavoidable group damage and mechanics to put pressure on healers. All you’ve done so far is simply add more healing requirements for tanks, making both tanking and healing objectively harder.
You’ve also further disincentivized pugging by putting more pressure on those roles. The end result is groups will spend even more time waiting for tanks and healer spots to be filled, and the barrier to entry for someone new to those roles have gone up as well.

I know the video is just from one guy, but the general consensus is that these changes are pretty bad.

Thoughts on the BIG TANK NERFS after 2 weeks | The War Within BETA

[Dejarous-draenor (Dejarous)]

These are boneheaded changes.

You can always make a rationale for changes. Heres one “Tanking and healing are the least popular roles that place the biggest stress and responsibility on players. As such we’ve decided to make them a little more durable so that they feel more rewarding and fun to play”

All the points they made are valid - in a vacuum. The problem is they don’t think of the ‘what next’? Less people will play roles that are already in demand.

[Petergrippín-stormscale]

@Dejarous-draenor

Less people will play roles that are already in demand.

Exactly. Ever since M+ came out in Legion I basically became a tank player. It’s what I enjoy, and I have very little interest in dps or healing. Being in charge of my own survivability is one of the most fun aspects of tanking. I’m lucky enough to play with a group of friends and our healer is really good, so I don’t really need to join pugs very often. But with these changes it will go from rarely pugging to never.

[Trapeye-bloodfeather]

tink going be really hard find tank tww already wait game get 1 tank

[Bilziver-magtheridon]

I think that after a few weeks everyone will adjust and it won’t be an issue. There are always content creators who will take a change, emphasise any problems they perceive, and form it into a semi-coherant ten minutes verbal essay for a living. Unfortunately this can mean that things people would usually be relatively indifferent to become game ending problems that means the next expansion will be “dead.”

I’m sure it will be fine.

[Uda-uldum]

No matter the tuning, I expect the first week of S1 to be rough.

There will be mechanics that are overtuned. That is for certain.

What I expect blizzard to do is to not slack for months and months like in S2 and S3 of DF. Anyone remember Doti Rise ?

I just dont get why they are so afraid of doing the needed changes and ruin the progress of 100 people doing +23s and things like that.

[Petergrippín-stormscale]

And now they made most dungeons even harder, with 2-4 minutes shorter timers, forcing larger pulls to make up for it…

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