All the trust is now gone

Ehm just dont play the game, if u dont have enough money u dont buy it. its that easy.
Its none of ur business what they want to put out. If you ask me they are chads, its called marketing. stop sub and uninstall the game. they dont care about u :rofl:

The way people ā€˜ā€˜Enjoy the whiningā€™ā€™ Has me seriously wondering if allot of players actually want wow to turn P2W game. Sitting alone at the top in a dead game that nobody will play anymore cause its become p2w.

What achievement is it to have bought your way to the top of the game? So lame

But hey its your money. If you want more in game store stuff and you seriously never will draw the line anywhere and you donā€™t see a problem in that? Be my guest.

I am sorry i should add this isnā€™t reaching directly pay2win levels yet. But I do wonder where people will draw the line on these sort of things.

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Why keep completing blizz wil do what they like if you donā€™t like what they are doing stop playing itā€™s not easy I know :pensive:

What trust are you talking about? Blizzard are a profit making company with stakeholders far more important to them than the player base. To think otherwise is delusional.

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Sure butā€¦ We are the ones blizzard makes money from. If they where gold miners, We are the gold ore. And we are sentient and free willed gold ore even xD How we react how re respond to things matters. We really can speak with our wallets as they say.

I agree. I bet half the people moaning didnā€™t even own the original. If so why do they care? Itā€™s just a few pixels.
Owning original didnā€™t make you good at the game. It just shows you either farmed a lot or bought it with tokens with irl money.

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It is a share based company. The only obligation is towards share holders. You are very gullible if you think this money will go back into development costs. The only thing that will result from this, is that Blizz will see they can make money, or loose subs from those that walk away. They will balance that against whichever number ends being the most beneficial to the share holders.

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losing items from the guild bank without any compensation is probably the biggest mistake Blizzard has ever made.The player loses hundreds of thousands or millions worth of items and gets nothing (I got some cheapest DF herbs worth a few hundred for the vendor).From a serious and established company like Blizzard you would expect at least some form of compensation, like a free token or a free character boost, but they have done absolutely nothing, just sorryā€¦

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No, they will line the pockets of the shareholders before anything else, a trend thatā€™s been ongoing for years.

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The store bought stuff train left the station when they released the first mount and the shiney horse made more than star craft 2: wings of liberty. It canā€™t be stopped. The People moaning not spending on a forum isnā€™t going to matter. They would have nerfed the dungeons by now if they listened to people who arenā€™t good enough to do them and spending their time on here moaning instead of getting good at them.

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Only few actually do. Everyone can be a forum warrior campaigning for some divine morals or something but when you ask them to put ā€œactions to your wordsā€ thenā€¦silence.
Same as you get your website comments on whatever real life issue where people proclaim about how X sucks and the politicans are buffoons who donā€™t know better - aight, go out, protest, become a politician, make the changeā€¦and dead silence :rofl:

Of course we matter. You matterā€¦ You and I are are cows that they milk their money from. But unlike cattleā€¦ You and I have a voice and opinions. We have choices.

Dont reward Blizzard with more money for less gameā€¦ And buy into store cosmetics and such. We can make a difference.

Your not doing blizzard any favor either by doing soā€¦ They are renowned and known for making quality games. And if we stop holding them up to that standard, We as players are doing blizzard a great disservice too.

Indeed we doā€¦

And my choice wonā€™t be influenced by what rando on the internet tells me what I can or canā€™t do with my wallet.

Aight. Set the example then ā†’ unsub and stop playing?

That dependsā€¦ Although I would be lying if this event didnt struck me a little bitā€¦

Right now I am and I am sure many othersā€¦ are gauging how far everyone will be willing and okey with store bought stuff and what lines will be crossed.

Where that line is drawn? Well like Kretias id say its when actual gear and gameplay advnatages gets sold in the in game storeā€¦

But how we react today will affect what -they- do tomorrow.

the more okey we are with these things todayā€¦ Will draw us closer to -that- line tomorrow. So I think these reactions against this are healthy for the game.

And you thought this wasnā€™t expected? Please, I think if Ion got a brick for every ā€œforum death threat or demand for his resignationā€ the would have build a palace by now.
After every patch, hotfix or buff/nerf balancing patch there are people complaining how ā€œBlizzard is destroying their gameā€ been like that since TBC tbh.

So people bleating about some AH mount on the forums? Was expected. I will give it max 7 days before people start bleating about something else.

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I meanā€¦ I really dont care how much blizzard expexted anything too be fair.

I care about youā€¦ You the players and where you draw the line. Where we draw the line and where we feel like enough is enough.

Like I said I dont want us to be taken advantage of and have blizzard develop less game. But still get rewarded with more money trough store grabs like this.

Its really not up to what Blizzard does. But up to us the players how we deal and respond to thisā€¦ And how okey we are with this.

But some cause for alarm seems reasonable, given that the game is on a decline and has been so for a number of years now.
I mean, people have quit because they have felt the game wasnā€™t good anymore. In fact, millions and millions have quit.

As a player and a fan youā€™d like if that trend was reversed or at the very least that the sentiment was shifted toward being more positive with regards to Blizzardā€™s ongoing game development.

Complaining about the WoW Token being sold out contradicts nearly everything else you complained about. (hopefully that wasnā€™t actually a complaint about the WoW token being sold out)

The players left over, are the players who donā€™t care about this anymore. Theyā€™re the ones who like the shop and WoW Tokens, or are apathetic to it. They continue to play even with the current quality, and will continue to do so.

So now WoWs playerbase has plateaued. The playerbase will probably not shrink much anymore, as most people who hated this stuff have long left. Which means Blizzard donā€™t have an incentive to change. They will probably keep coasting it just as they are. Iā€™d give up and move on if I was you.

I havenā€™t liked the new expansion, got to max and havenā€™t played on since. I wish I could like it, but nah. Itā€™s permanently changed in a way Iā€™ll never enjoy. Although I am having an amazing time in Hardcore classic. Community in it is pretty awesome too.

But yeah, retail will be dead for some players, and when you played and loved it for so long, it can be hard to move on. But itā€™s best to just jump the ship ASAP. Donā€™t waste anymore time or money.

Dont speak as if you are an elected representative of the playerbase. You can only represent yourself. For me who raids and does m+. The AH has almost no affect on me whatsoeverā€¦maybe saving 2-3 mins to get flasks and stuff on the go instead of going to the capital city.

No product remains ā€œkingā€ forever. The most basic product lifespan: Development->Introduction->growth->Maturity->Decline. We can argue on how Blizzard ā€œhelpedā€ the trend to go down or up faster but even if we had the best of the best Blizzard management starting in Vanilla till nowā€¦we would still NOT have 12M subs like in Wotlk.
People would have still left for various reasons and some of them being beyond Blizzardā€™s control.

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I would argue that at this point in the gameā€™s lifespan, the development should be steered toward a place where it can sustainably please those who want to stick around, right?
I mean, the people who are still here are ultimately fans of Warcraft who like this world and this game.
Because of that it seems destructive to introduce things to the game that are so polarizing that they actively shun and cause some players to feel alienated from the game.
World of Warcraft is not going to see a huge surge of players ever again, so it ought to be more protective of the players that remain and steer the development in a direction that satisfies the playersā€™ gameplay interests, rather than just seeking to extract more money and time spent from them. Thatā€™s not sustainable.

I mean, Blizzard talked at Blizzcon about the next 20 years and 3 decades of Warcraft and the future adventure and so forth. But all of that is only possible if the core fanbase of Warcraft are there for it. And those fans are only going to be there if they continue to feel that Warcraft is the place for them, that World of Warcraft fits their needs and that Blizzard has their interests in mind when charting the course, so to speak.

And increased monetization and higher price points does all but alienate parts of the fanbase for a myriad of reasons. And that doesnā€™t seem very sustainable for a franchise with an already declining popularity that seemingly has an ambition that looks decades ahead into the future.

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