Yet it matters on PvE server as well. Majority of players prefer server with majority of player playing on it. And PvP servers are considered to have full content of the game.
Our region got their localisation beta in the end of Sunwell patch and fully localised release in WotLK along with regional prices. No wonder we will have massive incoming of Wrath fans. Will they save factional balance if they see Alliance playing on PvE servers only. No they will on Biggest realm being Flamegor PvP and roll for races PvP and PvE guides suggest to that are all except humans horde races Wrath.
If Blizzard wants faction balance to be a thing and Wintergrasp not dead, they need to take measures in TBC and at least make Mirror racials to stop deserting of Alliance
Yeah true I made the post quite quite quickly when the change game through and when I thought more about it I did say it effects pve servers in another post it effects negatively horde on a pve as screws their economy.
This post is satire like my horde one.
1-2 hour queues werenât part of the classic experience, so those quotes still hold true.
besides, after the whole ballad of the boost and storemount etc. it was inevitable that they would do more changes, which i am still dreading will happen, however, this change just so happened to be a very positive one that solved an important issue.
you see, not being able to play bgs werenât part of the classic experience either, so this solution to the problem, this change, ironically makes the game fit better in the spirit of classic.
also, same faction bgs are not the same as mercenary mode, so comparing it to retail is just flat out disingenuous.
This post is satire like my horde one.
you can pretend that this whole schtick was âjust a prank broâ but i donât think youâre fooling anyone.
you were being smug, dissenting and downright rude to horde players that complained about long queues, and thereâs no way that was all just an elaborate piece of satire.
you were enjoying massive schadenfreude, ok? you werenât âjokingâ, you were legit getting off to the idea that the horde couldnât play bg and thus farm their gear for arena, and your attitude certainly changed, and quickly at that, when you found out blizzard was gonna solve this problem.
Itâs ever so fun to think how alliance got triggered because Horde are avaiable to play , itâs a bit selfish honestly.
FF14 king of mmo? For sure the most Boring with a flat lore. We Will not miss you !
Lol horde Vs horde is spirit of classic yeah right. No queues are not fair but so is having majority play one faction this is the worst #somechange they can do to faction and obviously you support it even Iâm going to switch to horde because of it.
not rly farmed 4 pieces in a weekend stomping mostly alliance with a premade lollll
you know whats definitely NOT in the spirit of classic? being gatekept by people like you from playing an entire aspect of the game, which is pvp, as in, not being able to play BG was even less so, in the spirit of classic.
So? premade is not skill
There was nothing gatekeeping you itâs called being overpopulated the queue system was how it was originally god even wow token does less damage to the game than this retail change. If this does indeed get implemented just watch how much alliance are left on PvP servers at the end of the expansion. Original tbc had a healthy balance not this monstrosity called retail tbc
youâre pretty thick if you think being gatekept or rather timegated out of playing bgs was in the spirit of classic.
the queues back then were never this long, especially after they introduced cross realm bgs.
the only time this was even remotely close to being the same as current queue times was when bgs were restricted to a per-server basis, and even then the smaller bgs like ab and wsg had much shorter queues, AV being the only one with a queue of several hours, due to the smaller population and the fact the map itself was way different back then.
There is nothing being gatekept back then the imbalance wasnât that big and there wasnât tons of horde everywhere and few alliance I remember the real experience if you got attacked when farming there wasnât 10-20 people piling on you there was half decent world PvP.
Blizzard could have done so many things to balance the game and queues and they choose one of the worst retail changes.
- Faction transfer would have helped queues and population.
- Removal of racials would have naturally helped queues and population.
- Incentive to roll the underpopulated faction on a server to server basis would have helped queues and population.
- Adding horde Vs horde, Merc helps queues decimates population.
Min/max meta has damaged classic but totally ruined tbc itâs so fun to see arena top 100 3v3 consist of over 47% undead out of 10 races. 2v2 top 100 consist of 37% undead.
Queue times is a small portion of the issues plagueing tbc classic but you guys are cutting your nose off to spite your face this change has huge implications.
Faction transfer would have helped queues and population.
they could add this and let it remain a free of charge feature for the remainder of classic and it still wouldnât solve the problem horde has with bg queues. you know this is true, but are clearly in denial about it.
Removal of racials would have naturally helped queues and population.
a suggestion a lot of people on both sides take issue with. i thought you said you didnât like retail changesâŚ?? streamlining races and robbing them of their identity is not a good solution to the (perceived) population problem, after all, they did that on retail and iâm told left and right that despite this being done, the game still has major faction imbalance issues.
incentive to roll the underpopulated faction on a server to server basis would have helped queues and population.
aka âbuff meâ.
Adding horde Vs horde -Merc helps queues decimates population-
arguably the best and most effective solution out of all you suggested. besides you speak as if the population has already been decimated, which is false. so iâll just cross that out and mark it down as ignored. (hmm lol how do you actually cross out text?)
Min/max meta has damaged classic but totally ruined tbc itâs so fun to see arena top 100 3v3 consist of over 47% undead out of 10 races. 2v2 top 100 consist of 37% undead.
Yep, thereâs a lot of undeads, its almost like people are aware that warlock is an fotm class throughout all of TBC, and that undead is thee best race against them.
remember how everyone used to be human and orc warriors in classic and people countered them by making gnome and undead mages? same s*** different fotm class/race.
when wotlk comes around, are you going to suggest nerfing human too, or rather whatever race is best for countering humans? (of which there are none btw, because EMFH is actually an overpowered, gamechanging racial with no counter from any class or race, that blizzard introduced because they were aware that the only way they could fix population issues back then was to literally give the alliance faction an i-win button).
Queue times is a small portion of the issues plagueing tbc classic but you guys are cutting your nose off to spite your face this change has huge implications.
thatâs easy to say when youâve never had to deal with 1-2 hour queue times. get off your high horse ok?
How would it not solve the problem? Every horde PvPer that take it up is one less queue for the horde and one more queue for alliance it would hugely help with number of issues.
Removing racials does fix a lot of problems itâs not like itâs a retail change its a change that is not harmful to either faction as nobody get an advantage but your comment just shows your true colours faction identity wasnât that your excuse for rolling horde because of aesthetics, isnât that enough?
asking for horde Vs horde queues is âbuff meâ if I ever saw anything.
Actually removing racials in wrath would be a great idea just shows your horde bias if you think removing them now = bad and removing them next expansion when yours is not the strongest=good.
If you think the only issue is 1-2hr queue just shows how dimwitted you are Iâm afraid
How would it not solve the problem? Every horde PvPer that take it up is one less queue for the horde and one more queue for alliance it would hugely help with number of issues.
because people generally donât want to play alliance, especially if they just prefer horde.
the fact blizzard had to introduce EMFH to humans just to get some horde players to switch faction says it all.
people have their own reasons, maybe they like being the âevilâ faction, maybe they despise the goodie two shoe thing alliance has going on, maybe its racials, maybe its aesthetics, maybe it comes down to something as simple as casting/melee animations, maybe they are overly fond of a particular race, like people who are obsessed with elves, but prefer blood (high) elves over night elves, or people like myself whose favorite color is green which makes Orc my uncontested favorite race in the game based on aesthetics alone - the lore helps out a great deal too, as i am fond of savagery, primitiveness and shamanism over nobility, politics and whatever else the (most boring race) humans have going for them⌠i also canât stand the presence of gnomes. their visuals annoy me, their voices IN PARTICULAR annoys me, i know nothing worse than being turned into a leper gnome during the halloween event and i always turn it off.
sure some horde players might take the free ticket and switch, but nowhere near enough for it to fix the issue. you know it, i know it, everybody bloody knows it.
Removing racials does fix a lot of problems itâs not like itâs a retail change its a change that is not harmful to either faction as nobody get an advantage but your comment just shows your true colours faction identity wasnât that your excuse for rolling horde because of aesthetics, isnât that enough?
ahh ok, so because i am in favor of racials in general that means i am showing my âtrue colorsâ⌠i mean ok, if you prefer a boring streamlined identity-less race then good on you, but i donât, this of course means that i simply deal with the existence of EMFH too once that comes around, it will annoy me for sure, i will dislike it, i will probably even advocate to nerf it, but that doesnât mean i am in favor of flat out removing racials from the game, and even if it doesnât get nerfed, i am still in favor of keeping racials in. because they add flavor.
asking for horde Vs horde queues is âbuff meâ if I ever saw anything.
Oh yes, asking to be able to play the game is the same as asking for a buff. 5head.
Actually removing racials in wrath would be a great idea just shows your horde bias if you think removing them now = bad and removing them next expansion when yours is not the strongest=good.
again, iâd argue against removing racials period.
If you think the only issue is 1-2hr queue just shows how dimwitted you are Iâm afraid
its the only issue i personally have as a horde player. not sure what else is really gamebreaking on that level tbh⌠but hey, enlighten me since you seem to know all my problems.
btw. you know whats really dimwitted? making threads mocking other players for their inability to play certain parts of the game as a result of no fault of their own (unless you count playing the race/faction you like more as a deliberate fault) while you point your finger and laugh, and when the table turns on you, you go âit was just satire lolâ.
It would absolutely help it.Even alot of horde on here started threads for faction changes because PvP was in their interest. Tons of horde here always talk about human,gnome,dwarf racials surely some of those guys would switch too, right? And every one person switching over is a double effect because more alliance queuing and less horde even small amount of players would have a larger impact.
I see you rolling alliance for EMFH or beg for more retail changes until itâs fixed. There will absolutely be more alliance next expansion and that is not healthy as well.
You talk about being able to play the game you can absolutely play the game and have quicker time finding groups etc because of huge population Imbalance. Is it fair for alliance to spend 1-2 hours looking for people to fill a dungeon group ? Whatâs the difference. Itâs alot harder to farm primal mights for alliance on PvP servers also due to the obscene amount of ganking with unfair odds is that fair?.
If you even read my mocking post itâs talking about bringing balance to outland of course Iâm going to make fun of Merc mode or horde Vs horde players it screwed faction balance in retail to the point warmode was required to replace PvP servers I support reasonable changes for an overall healthy game but until the game gets balanced the queue times were justified. I want the queue time to get fixed for horde but not at the expense of an entire faction.
You seriously mean they are catering towards horde because they make the game PLAYABLE for us? Jesus christ how stupid are you, you donât seem to understand the situation. If they didnât do anything about this 90% of the pvpers on horde side would just quit which would affect the game overall, you would lose so many players.
A lot of people play this game only for PvP and arena, what do you expect us to do? Do you think it is reasonable for us to sit in 2 hour ques for one game? You donât seem to understand with your small mind that LOTS of people are going to quit this game if we arenât able to play the aspects of the game that we enjoy.
Do you think itâs reasonable for horde to go into arena with 0 resilience and face alliance teams that have full honor gear simply because of this?
You sir are a disgusting mate.
No I expect faction changes you can PvP just fine on alliance who need more pvpers, you yourself said human is op why not take the free switch?
The only horde who deserve hvh bgs is earthshaker,heartstiker,bloodfang and zandalar tribe and PvE server horde until those are balanced the rest of the servers need less horde more alliance if you think queues are the only issue on the rest of the servers then you should have the choice the queues or faction swap
Anyone who doesnât agree is disgusting
But I donât want to play alliance again and all my friends are horde, I like the orc animations this time. You expect me to convince my friends and their guilds to faction change just so I can do some PvP? Are you stupid or what?
Well you should have the choice some will happily take the swap they should reduce your queues to a more reasonable level.
But just be honest itâs nothing to do with the animations or your friends, you just want every conceivable advantage