WHAT ADVANTAGE LOL? You mean being on the same terms as alliance?
It would absolutely help it.Even alot of horde on here started threads for faction changes because PvP was in their interest.
Right ok, so hereâs the thing; in order for your solution to work as intended the queue time problem would have to remain unsolved. so your solution to a problem depends on the existence of another problem. thatâs not terribly clever or productive.
also that means players will switch out of necessity (basically being forced to) and not because they really want to.
Tons of horde here always talk about human,gnome,dwarf racials surely some of those guys would switch too, right?
if they can live with the aesthetics of alliance races, sure, maybe. i am not one of them.
while i envy racials like Perception and Escape Artist there is no way i would ever switch to alliance just to get them, and besides neither human or gnome can be shaman, so thatâs another problem.
And every one person switching over is a double effect because more alliance queuing and less horde even small amount of players would have a larger impact.
mmmkay so if people switch with the specific intention of getting instant queues so they can farm their gear faster, how does that fix queues for horde?
you know whats going to happen? people switch over, they farm their gear in a week or two of hardcore dedicated play, and then stop queuing up, because the farm is complete, and thus it does absolutely nothing to help horde queue times go down.
and worse yet, this would be a trickling effect, as not everyone would instantly switch to alliance all at the same time so the queue times would remain the same and get even worse as time went on due to the fact people complete their gear farm and thus have no incentive to queue up further, until the next season, which will the repeat the cycle.
1-2 weeks of ok-ish bg queues for horde, and then back to the 1-2 hour queues.
I see you rolling alliance for EMFH or beg for more retail changes until itâs fixed.
i didnât roll alliance for EMFH back in the day, and i wonât now. i didnât like the frankly overpowered i-win-button racial back in the day and i donât like it now. ok?
There will absolutely be more alliance next expansion and that is not healthy as well.
i thought this is exactly what you wanted???
You talk about being able to play the game you can absolutely play the game and have quicker time finding groups etc because of huge population Imbalance. Is it fair for alliance to spend 1-2 hours looking for people to fill a dungeon group ? Whatâs the difference. Itâs alot harder to farm primal mights for alliance on PvP servers also due to the obscene amount of ganking with unfair odds is that fair?.
you have had the opportunity to move to pve servers since forever if you canât handle being ganked, you can thank your FELLOW ALLIANCE PLAYA for making that problem even worse by moving server. maybe blizzard shouldnât have listened to you guys back then, and maybe youâd be better off by today, but because they allowed a mass exodus to take place you are now suffering from the consequences⌠what was that about a player created issue again? because half your faction moving away certainly seems like one to me.
If you even read my mocking post itâs talking about bringing balance to outland of course Iâm going to make fun of Merc mode or horde Vs horde players it screwed faction balance in retail to the point warmode was required to replace PvP servers I support reasonable changes for an overall healthy game but until the game gets balanced the queue times were justified. I want the queue time to get fixed for horde but not at the expense of an entire faction.
so as long as the opposing faction gets punished so that yours donât its ok to let the problem endure. k, got it.
Well you have to make the choice there is clearly a reason why you choose horde and would not take a free swap.
Hvh is horrible selfish change for the game it just makes it even worse for the alliance playerbase on an already unbalanced server population on PvP servers. if itâs implemented I have to re-roll from scratch to horde or quit because now Iâm suffering for an issue that horde players created.
I ask again, HOW IS THIS AN ADVANTAGE? That we horde players can also get BG ques now. I told you my reasons as to why I play horde this time, but you didnât want to believe it and that is on you.
You a hypocrite, the only reason you are against FvF battlegrounds is because now allys wonât be the only ones with full PvP gear when queing arenas.
They canât switch back so yes it will help with queues for the entire expansion if you think as soon as your geared you will completely stop queuing is completely naive There is season gears, alts the fact that less alliance will quit due to a healthier population and better experience. If thatâs the case make hvh for two weeks so you can farm gear and revert change permanently how does that sound you got your resi gear so there is no need for it anymore.
You thought I wanted a faction imbalance towards alliance? No I donât want to play in a 60% alliance pop itâs unhealthy.
Why should I move to a pve server when I like balanced PvP servers I like world PvP and instanced PvP but that is getting ruined with faction Imbalance.
Yeah why should alliance get punished with a hvh change when it wasnât them rolling alliance en-masse what caused the problem.
So donât cry when you get ganked
Are you serious you canât see outnumbering the alliance on almost all PvP servers as an advantage for both PvP and PvE this is astounding.
I donât cry when I get ganked I can lose a fight if numbers are similar quite happy but when every spot is completely horde dominated because of population issue then itâs a problem Iâm completely fine with the game having zero changes.
You keep failing at telling us how this is an advantage for us, big surprise.
Does the fact that there are more horde players on your server affect your arena progression? No it does not.
Does the fact that there are more horde affect your guilds PvE progression? No it does not.
You seem to think everything comes down to big world pvp events or something.â
I ask you again HOW IS THIS AN ADVANTAGE?
According to Tartanangel:
Making the game playable for horde = punishing alliance players. LUL
They canât switch back so yes it will help with queues for the entire expansion if you think as soon as your geared you will completely stop queuing is completely naive There is season gears, alts the fact that less alliance will quit due to a healthier population and better experience.
Ahh so the trick is to basically lure them in, and then shut the doors.
yeah sounds super attractive my dude. i already addressed the seasonal gear, but you seems to have chosen to ignore that part.
i said horde queue times will go back to being ok-ish and then drop off rapidly as alliance (with their instant queues) farm said seasonal gear in a week or two and thus stop queuing for bg again. season after season, the result will be the same.
people gearing their alts will help slightly i suppose, but again, once they are geared they will stop queuing. it would require A LOT of alts and A LOT of time dedication to gear up enough alts to sustain low horde queue times season after season, without having them increase.
sure alliance players might not quit the game but they will quit pvp once their goals are achieved, and being able to achieve these goals much faster than horde can only lead to one scenario.
If thatâs the case make hvh for two weeks so you can farm gear and revert change permanently how does that sound you got your resi gear so there is no need for it anymore.
nah that would be selfish, i like to keep things fair for everyone. i personally have all the time in the world to sweat through a few weeks of bgs to get my full set assuming i have instant queues, but other people donât, and thus it would be quite unfair to do this every season. also thatâs literally gatekeeping. âbetter play and sweat for these two weeks or else tough luck, soldier, you gotta deal with terrible queue timesâ.
You thought I wanted a faction imbalance towards alliance? No I donât want to play in a 60% alliance pop itâs unhealthy.
personally, i donât think there is any way in hell that faction imbalance is going to swing in favor of alliance just because of EMFH, but that remains to be seen. we can theorize all we want about that, but it would lead nowhere.
Why should I move to a pve server when I like balanced PvP servers I like world PvP and instanced PvP but that is getting ruined with faction Imbalance.
because getting ganked is clearly a concern for you.
you should probably ask your fellow alliance players who are now playing on pve servers why they moved and made your situation worse as a result.
Yeah why should alliance get punished with a hvh change when it wasnât them rolling alliance en-masse what caused the problem.
because you donât really get punished. thats all in your head. its speculation that hasnât come to fruition, which goes to show your level of delusion and fearmongering. you are actually convinced that your speculation is objective indisputable fact, which its simply not.
Having more horde does effect my arena progression as itâs impossible to farm gold or mats for a good weapon due to every zone being outnumbered.
Having more horde in the world effects me controling world PvP zones thereâs an advantage.
Having more horde in the world effects my pve experience due to summoning stones being no go for alliance or have to run through multiple horde raids to get to Kara because there are way to many of the one faction, advantage.
Less people to find groups with due to the excessive corpse camping by horde to alliance levelers and outnumber ganking causes alliance population to dwindle so itâs an advantage to have an easy quicker time to find groups.
Adding this âfixâ would be a nail in the coffin for an entire faction due to a player created problem and a blizzard âfixâ that makes the player created problem worse.
argumentation like that makes me want to be the one who swings the hammer for that nail.
Turns out your entire argument revolves around being ganked, who wouldâve thought.
Of course you do your a retail Andy, only think of yourself so there is no suprise to me.
Turns out your whole argument is based on wanting retail changes to fix a problem you created who would have thought?
nice strawman. and nice going ignoring my previous post.
speaking of posts, you really like moving the goalposts huh⌠âmuh faction imbalanceâ to âmuh open world balanceâ to âbut u retail andyâ⌠whats next?
Yes, I singlehandedly created this issue that a lot of people prefer horde. Lets go with your brilliant solution and force people to play a certain race/faction so you donât have to run to the dungeon like the rest of us. Go play one a PvE server then?
i think at this point we can safely say you are at stage 3, with a side of stage 2.
Faction imbalance and open world balance is the same thing? Yeah it doesnât suprise me that you want a retail fix to a problem you created and doesnât suprise me that you would be happy with 90/10 faction balanced servers