Alliance BGs

Anyone else noticed a sudden decline in win rates on ally bgs lately? I usually play bgs in the mornings while the top chad horde pvp people are still sleeping and we usually get 50/50 winrates across all the BGs. Now from the last 26 BGs i have only won maybe 4 or 5. Im usually in the top 3 DPS and kills and i have okish pvp gear with 240resi mixed with few t6 pieces.

Ally BGs has always been struggle, but now it seems like it more than ever. I chatted with this horde player who had made ally toon in preparation for wotlk and he said that the tide is going to turn. Do you think horde players are going to switch into ally or is the classic pvp scene going to be this horde dominated in the future also?

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Should have russian join the eu pool so they can carry alliance since they are so good players and totally not premading :upside_down_face:

I’m not sure why this isn’t a thing already. In retail russians are matched with other europeans. In Classic russians are only matched with russians. So stupid…

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Not saying that this is the reason for your losses but damn. I wouldn’t play with less than 400, even as a hunter.

Yeah im very casual in regards of pvp. I think the problem is that people usually have even less pvp pieces than me. Ofc there is always some people with good gear, but i feel that most people on ally side just use the BGs to try to gear up “easy”. Horde on the otherhand que up already geared and for the sake of actual pvp it feels like.

BG’s seem to be a gearing method for alliance as stepping stone towards joining raids, sorta a catch-up mechanic. They join with quest greens, get the season 1 outfit so they have baselines for raids, then never come again.

I do wonder, do we have a site like ironforge with official stats on win/loss rates per BG?

I find alliance losing a lot, its not only gear issue, just anything that requires tactical oversight and immediate adjustment to changing conditions seems to cause a black-out, like there is a permanent lag in their minds of a few minutes that makes sure they’re always too late to react.

Hoping that every man for himself will draw some more agile people to alliance ye.

I played a bunch of AB in the last 2 days for some weekend rep and I am exactly 50/50 with 28 games.

There are bad players, middle-eastern prot paladins and 6k hp casters on both sides. Most BGs are decided by who got less/more of them (except WSG where mage/druid that is willing to pop FAPs and abuse terrain out of their mind can basically 1v10)

Make the best out of the bad situation and treat your team like Animal Planet show, wonder how some of them managed to wake up this evening without choking on their own socks not to mention hit max level and queue for battleground. My fav specimen so far was “time travelling classic andy” - fury warrior in BWL/MC items that managed to hit 70 without getting a single tbc item.

YES, I notice these, all with level 60 items. I make a theory they got to 70 just with buying boosts, they sold everything they were ‘allowed’ to loot and just don’t bother buying even AH 70 greens because the rest of the team will carry them to free epics if they just queue up often enough.

It was a thing at the beginning of classic, but EU people cried on the forums so that the Russians be only matched with Russians. Arguments were made that communicating with Russians was impossible(?!), their Cyrillic names were unreadable(?!?!), and their higher latency was too disruptive(?!??!) to gameplay all the while everyone was playing at artificial 400ms.

Once the Russians were banished to a separate queue, all those problems magically disappeared… Until they started to win almost every AV match; and now calls for mixing them with other Europeans are being made :man_facepalming: Most people on EU realms are so blatantly Rusophobic and bigoted, it is disgusting to watch :face_vomiting:

On topic, Alliance BGs are just fine. There are undergeared people and afkers on both sides. It is just that sometimes you get a streak of games where you see the same guys over and over again, which drags your winrate down. Take a break and queue in 15 mins :slight_smile:

Yeah, they got a seperate queue, but not a seperate battlegroup, can’t have one without the other.

The same issues still apply if they are contained in the same battle group, you still can’t read their names, if there was latency it is still present and non-native english speakers still have a disadvantage needing to communicate in English while Russians don’t, in addition to them having a free queuepop to by-pass randoms.

Either fully seperate it, or mix it, now there is this weird system where they get the cake and eat it too.

Oh my god, that is so stupid! I have had zero problems playing with Russians on my team in retail. That’s very upsetting that people asked for something like that - and yes, it’s borderline or just straight up racism towards Russians. Hopefully this gets reverted at some point.

As with many choices made by Blizzard, I am happy Russians are in a separate group, for all the valid reasons already given: I agree with them.

Side note: ally loses BG most of the time saturday and sunday and to lesser extent around prime time on weekdays with the specific weak spot just before raid time on wednesday ie between 7 and 8 PM.

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