I made that comparison to further prove my brilliant point.
And I didn’t compare the Alliance to a dictatorship that killed millions of innocents, I compared the Alliance’s concept to that of the Nato’s, which is a defensive alliance between multiple countries. Do tell me what’s offensive and denigrating about that statement.
As I already said, anyone who finds that offensive, does not belong in a forum.
Now, may we return to the topic at hand? So far, no one has managed to change my mind about Anduin. Probably because I am right. Why am I not surprised?
I forgot about som feats of wisdom and intelligence performed by Anduin:
Calming the people of Stormwind during the absence of King Varian Wrynn. Because of this, everyone believed that Anduin would become a shrewd King one day;
Using only his wits to survive Onyxia in her own putrid Lair;
Saving Stormwind from the machinations of Major Samuelson, a servant of the Old God who threatened the very life of the King and his court.
He’s somehow a combination of an old man with his wisdom and the naive mind of a child.
I like his character, but he would fit more into the role of an advisor than a leader.
If it were a troll post, you would easily be able to dismantle my arguments one by one.
This is usually what I do with threads that praise Sylvanas, which are really troll posts, unlike mine.
I guess the fact that all posters so far, unable to counter my brilliant arguments, have only thrown obscene insults that denigrate me at a personal level, is proof of my victory.
If it were a troll post, the only thing you would show by dismantling the arguments is that you fell for it. And I fear we don’t have anyone on the opposing side with your kind of… erm, determination to throw the joke back in your face in kind.
It is not me who derailed the thread, It was that person who accused me of comparing the Horde to the Warsaw Pact, which I didn’t do. By the way, that had nothing to do with this thread.
Ok I’ll bite. You want counter arguments? Here is my counter to each of your points, in order as you provided them.
Wisdom and intellect are not the same thing. One can be of average intelligence and be considered wise in certain areas of life. Anduin had to grow up fast, man kids in Azeroth have had to do the same. This is not an indication of genius.
Singular abilities are given to many main characters, it’s sets them apart from the rabble. He is not necessarily very very clever he may be hard working or naturally gifted. This is not necessarily indication of genius.
3.Persuation skills are something royals are generally taught along with politicians. Convincing a group of people to believe you is not an indication of genius, it’s an indication of good debate skills.
He did not single handedly thwart Garrosh’s plans for the Devine Bell. To put his plan in motion he had help from hero’s to get him what he needed. Reasearching your target Is not an indication of genius.
Anduin said one line in that cutscene and it was a question. He then said nothing at all. Did he help shape his father over the years? Yes. But Varian decided to change. This is not an indication of genius, it’s a sign he’s compassionate.
Anduin gained the title High King the moment his father died. No voting took place as far as is shown. This is not an indication of genius.
Knowing your people is not uniquely Anduin. Many of the Alliance leaders do much the same. This is not an indication of genius.
Anduin and the Alliance where not the only people fighting the Leigon. The Horde was doing so as well as all there leaders. He was not the reason Azeroth survived. This is not an indication of genius.
Popularity is not an indication of genius.
In the battle of Lorderon Anduin was saved by Jaina and her flying ship twice. Anduin did not destroy Undercity, the Horde deployed scorched earth tactics. Without Deus ex Jaina he would be a blight bloated corpse. This is not an indication of genius
The war is not won. Silvermoon is not in alliance hands and skirmishes are still going.
Anduin has done nothing hands on to gain the help of Kul Tris. The PC has been doing all the work. This is not an indication of Anduin’s genius.
The Frozen throne is not Hereditory. Wanting to marry a woman you click with is not an indication of genius, it’s an indication of love.
“Harmony over the Horde.” Is not garenteed because two leaders, one of which is a former leader, is working with you or is your friend. This is not an indication of genius.
The war has not been won yet. Also a single victory is not an indication of genius.
Plot Armour is not an indication of genius.
Prophecies do not make you a genius. You might be picked based on your affinity for a power (Anakin Skywalker) or because your enemy decided you where their nemasis based on arbertry qualities (Harry Potter). This is not an indication of genius.
Your not going to change your mind I’m sure, but don’t throw dung at people who don’t agree with you.
First of all, drop your arrogance. No one is forcing you to reply, and you certainly have no right to subtly reprimand me for that.
Wisdom and intellect are not the same thing. One can be of average intelligence and be considered wise in certain areas of life. Anduin had to grow up fast, man kids in Azeroth have had to do the same. This is not an indication of genius.
If you are not intelligent, you won’t be wise beyond your years.
Singular abilities are given to many main characters
How many of those main characters are 18 years old?
This is not necessarily indication of genius.
Yes it is. If Anduin, at such a young age, is already a special Priest, he is a genius in the path of the Light.
3.Persuation skills are something royals are generally taught along with politicians. Convincing a group of people to believe you is not an indication of genius, it’s an indication of good debate skills.
We never saw anyone teach Anduin about those things. Whenever he was with his father (with whom he didn’t have a good relationship for many years), he was usually hunting and learning how to fight. Therefore, headcanon.
He did not single handedly thwart Garrosh’s plans for the Devine Bell. To put his plan in motion he had help from hero’s to get him what he needed. Reasearching your target Is not an indication of genius.
He spearheaded the operations against Garrosh and single-handedly thwarted his plans because he shattered the Divine Bell. I certainly didn’t see any of his allies at the showdown between him and Garrosh in front of the DIvine Bell.
Anduin said one line in that cutscene and it was a question. He then said nothing at all. Did he help shape his father over the years? Yes. But Varian decided to change. This is not an indication of genius, it’s a sign he’s compassionate.
Without Anduin, Varian wouldn’t have had any incentive or basis upon which begin his change, therefore he would have dismantled the Horde at the end of the Siege of Orgrimmar.
Anduin gained the title High King the moment his father died. No voting took place as far as is shown.
Yet no other Alliance leaders contested his position. When beings who are much older than you are fine with you leading them, you know you’re smart.
Knowing your people is not uniquely Anduin. Many of the Alliance leaders do much the same. This is not an indication of genius.
How many Alliance leaders extensively walked amongst the common people? Tyrande knows her people so well that they view Anduin as their King in Before the Storm.
Anduin and the Alliance where not the only people fighting the Leigon. The Horde was doing so as well as all there leaders.
Except that I didn’t say that he led all of Azeroth to victory.
In the battle of Lorderon Anduin was saved by Jaina and her flying ship twice. Anduin did not destroy Undercity, the Horde deployed scorched earth tactics. Without Deus ex Jaina he would be a blight bloated corpse.
He also single-handedly saved his army from annihilation.
The war is not won.
Wrong, several characters (including Nathanos) aknowledge in the next patch that the Horde is losing on all fronts and the Alliance will win the war in a matter of weeks.
The Frozen throne is not Hereditory.
Source? Surely now it is Bolvar who makes up the rules, No?
Regardless of that, if Anduin shows Bolvar that he truly loves his only daughter, Bolvar will naturally care more about the Alliance than the Horde, whose Warchief is going too far.
“Harmony over the Horde.” Is not garenteed because two leaders, one of which is a former leader, is working with you or is your friend.
How many Alliance leaders cared about estabilishing inter-factional relationships in the past? Jaina, of course, and Thrall, both of them being much older and wiser than Anduin, who still realized the potential of peace between the two factions.
Oh, obviously I am stating the obvious (it should be, at least), but being a Genius doesn`t necessarily mean being intelligent. It just means having rare and unique natural skills in a certain field. In this case, Anduin has shown such natural talent in the field of politics, diplomacy, the path of the Light and military.
but don’t throw dung at people who don’t agree with you.
I flag and ignore people who visit my thread only to throw obscene and vulgar insults that denigrate me at a personal level, completely ignore my points, and derail my thread with silly insults that belong in kindergarten.
Did Arctur just call somebody else arrogant? What?
You pretty much begged people to respond to your post and counter argue you, and once somebody does so (and pretty Well) you threaten him with being flagged.
