There is nothing left in horde. Horde is practically ruled by alliance mean all current horde leaders kinda jumped to alliance wagon. Mag’har orcs example would have left sorry horde faction ages ago or actually rule remaining orcs after that saurfang fiasko. they can make it worse though, they can write Baine to next warchief
the alliance was never defeatd and never lost their core territory. Blizzard always write them as winner which is also why their leaders never die.
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Wrong
First war.
Check your lore…
And bte: the horde never lost thro territory, since they were on azeroth they exapanded.
And even after SoO oder Bfa, the dint, even as the Alliance coud have
Thait ain’t better if the kill them fir fairnes but in the end do with the alliance the same what the horde players themselves dibt want: killing important Charakters
The horde sibt want if, sk then dont lush the alliance for it
Nobody on the Horde asked for this horrible story telling where our leaders are gutted and iconic figures are washed out
Stormwind is back to full health.
Let’ see
Tyrande
Jaina
Velen
Aysa
Malfurion
Shandris
Maiev
Magni
Brann
Moira
Muradin
Alleria
Turalyon
Azurathel
Gelbin
Genn
Tess
Fareeya
Umbric
are all alive and well.
Now let’s look at the Horde
Sylvanas is in the Maw
Vol’jin is dead
Cairne is dead
Rastakhan is dead
Saurfang is dead
Garrosh is dead
Nazgrim is dead
Nathanos is dead
Varimathras is dead
Gallywix is dead
Doomhammer is dead
Grommash is dead
Areiel is dead
AU Grommash and Durotan are also dead
Dranosh is dead
Rokhan, Gazlowe, Baine, the new chieftains and so on all don’t count since they are nothing but filthy replacements.
Case in point watch this video then you might get the idea why the writing is unfair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkN7ouvni7c
They only write them more leaders and they all cane from horde side. Atleast i cant think single current “horde” faction leader who is not alliance side now. Any of them cant be believable horde leader who could make horde strong again. Not possible anymore after how they write this, its done and happened allready. They drive horde so deep in ground that it not rise up anymore.
Retcon the last 15 years of bad lore and we can fix this.
Yes it is. I know you alliance simps are allergic to equality and fairness. as usual.
Ah, i must have imagined Cataclysm questing then, where the Alliance got kicked around up and down both continents…
There’s a problem with the Horde winning: When in one of their conquest-moods, they’re out for nothing less than the annihilation of the Alliance, which i hope even you can see would cause sizeable complications in a two-faction game.
The Alliance, on the other hand, are the “Lawful stupid”-faction, they can be written (Albeit unconvincingly) to let the Horde off the hook (Yet again) after one of their tantrums, so if the Horde wins, it’s “Game over, thanks for playing” for half the players, and when the Alliance wins, it’s “Back to business as usual”, gee, why would Blizz have the Alliance win… it’s a mystery…
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ah yes the event from 15 years you always bring up to make a point but willfully ignoring the 15 years after that where the blue team was a on a constant winning streak. There has never been a similar toxic and lying fandom like the alliance folks are. Really I have every reason to despise all of you at this point cuz you make it too damm easy.
Name me one actual CURRENT alliance leader that perma died not named Varian. Also he got the most epic anime death possible with a song to accomplish it. I can’t remember the blood elves crafting any music in the thalassian language ever after that despite the Sin’dorei being the main race. Your priviliges is in the face for anyone who looks for it.
This isnt just wow issue, its same with other fandoms. Even if writing isnt cut clear there is a fandom that tries to make it black and white and the ones they support being the heroes
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I played alot of other MMOs from GW2 to ESO and I never saw devs and writers being this biased for one side. Not even in SWTOR where its clear the Sith are the bad guys. For some reason Blizzard still drives their 90s fantasy hero overdrive with the blue team and it is painfully obvious.
Easier to market and sell thats the sad thing
this is a fantasy game. Not everyone mains humans or elves.
I don’t think you can really compare the two.
as a main horde player for 20 years, even with the warchief in place, the horde has always felt less organized as the alliance, it actually feels like multiple individual cultures banding out of necessity to create a block against the evergrowing threats to their existance, they had a chief of war, or warchief if you will. However outside of war, the warchief doesn’t really determine policy for lets say what the other races do. If anything Horde has identity issues ever since adopting a council.
With the alliance that problem does feel the other way around (which is neat story telling wise cause it contrasts how the factions are different).
Otherwise I agree tho, the price of a council is that theoretically, they can focus more on racial identity rather then factional identity, however what practice has proven is that they don’t have the development time to go do cool stuff for all individual races in a reasonable timeframe so you really just lose faction identity stuff without gaining back racial identity stuff unless maybe you’re lucky enough to be front and center of a new expansion theme like blood elves are now.
Even tho a council may make more sense for the alliance, there is a chance it’ll just lead to less faction content without really getting anything back for it, like what happened to the horde yeah.
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Honestly was my, and i’m sure other players’, reason for playing the Horde in the first place. Sad that this element is mostly gone. Kind of even more laughably sad to see players convinced of shallow implications that this ‘blame game’ and playground behaviour has done to the community as a whole.
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I think you misread what I wrote. I speak of the Alliance. Not the Horde. Alliance needs to be the evil guys for once and be punished for it.
I am tired of “blue good, red bad”. Time to inverse the positions.
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Don’t even need to be evil.
Just stop being the ‘reactionary’ force and use their teeth for once. We know they have it. Jaina showed it in Battle for Dazar’alor but then she suddenly lost them because Anduin felt sadface afterwards.
And the Horde really needs to stop listening to outside opinions from a world that used to think of them as, rightfully, trash to be disposed of. ‘Survive another day’ became ‘Hope they aren’t mean to me 
’ as of late…
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Ha ha ha …
Typical Alliance players. God forbid anything good happens to the Horde.
The Horde has almost none of the original faction leaders left. It’s a shadow of its former self. The Alliance roster is almost intact with quite a few overpowered characters.
We desperately need more development and some of the old leaders must be brought back.
Well, it makes sense.
The power balance between factions is a joke. The Horde will be deleted if the Alliance just sneezes in its direction.
They absolutely devastated the Horde in the last few expansions.
YES EXACTLY. Thank you finally someone understands this.