I think we should get as many race/class combos as possible, but I do agree that EVERY race shouldn’t be able to be EVERY class. Tauren rogues are ridiculous, I didn’t realise they were a thing till recently when one joined my dungeon and it honestly threw me for a second.
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Im a big fan for opening up the classes to all races. I think it makes sense with everything our characters have gone through that they would now have the knowledge to be any class.
Even the unlikely ones make sense if you consider that classes dont exist in a vacuum. Sure, most Draenei for example, will hate fel magic but do I believe (with everything that has happened in game) that no Draenei ever would fall to the dark side and become a warlock??
IMO it just makes for some really interesting back stories!
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Yes, there are some, even few in numbers (at least according to the forum responses) remaining “old fart”, who still believes in class and race lore, fantasy and indentity.
This is(?) an mmo rpg. It was always a nice rp touch in WoW that the class/race combos made sense. In my opinion ther are 2 class, that should be open for all, and that are hunter and warrior.
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Lorewise, warlocks are persecuted, that’s why their trainers are in the dodgy part of Org (Well, the dodgiest part, anyway), and the basement of an inn in Stormwind.
That they can just parade around, demons in tow, is purely a gameplay concession, WoW is a game first and foremost.
Since we’re discussing lore, according to the story, the races have been mingling for decades now, so that player characters (Who are by definition exceptions to most societal rules, shirking the usual expectations of their people to go out adventuring) might encounter a warlock and think “I want to do that” isn’t such an outlandish notion as you’re trying to make it seem.
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It’s not just warlocks, it’s the thing in general. Soon we gonna have Void Elf paladins and mechagnome druids, which seems to me far more strange than this.
Basically all I ask for is better writing in general, that includes stuff behind lifting restrictions.
I think that would be like the Priest class - Ligtforged shadow priest, Undead priest… game reasons; similarly a “Void Paladin” would make sense
But the Light is not really picky when it comes to their users…
If they would be what the players actualyl asked, the totally mechanical Ulduar ones? Yes.
But these “mechagnomes” we have are just gnomes with Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome or NSID (Nonsuicidal Self-Injury Disorder), severe case of self mutilation and raplacing their parts with technology in the name of “perfection”
But untill complate transformation, they are mostly flesh-creatures with connection to life and nature thus nothing really prevents them to learn the art of druidism except the lack of master to teach them
I dont agree with warlock lightforged but thats already happened.
The only thing left i actually have an issue with is void elf paladin. But that will happen regardless of how stupid it is.
The rest? Eh. Take it or leave it.
I think they should double down on it and add a concept to wow that is known as “Kekkei Genkai” in Naruto, where people can have 2 different chakra natures and combine them into something else. That would mean for example that a mix between void and light might produce cosmic void, or something similar to that. Or Fel with Void could produce shadowflame. However, for this they’d need some retcons
Actually before life began and before even the universe existed, there was only the Light. The Light existed as a boundless sea of living energy, swelling across all of existence, unfettered by time and space. Yet as the ever-shifting sea expanded, pockets of cold nothingness appeared. From these spaces, the Void coalesced. The Void quickly grew and began to move against the Light, and before long, the mounting tension between the two forces ignited a series of explosions that ruptured the very fabric of creation, giving birth to the physical univers
The mix literally caused the WoW equivalent of Big Bang and as a bonus? Created other energies and the most unstable energies coalesced into the astral dimension known as the Twisting Nether.
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In my opinon i disagree, i csnt see WoW dropping race restrictions in the future, all mmorpgs have moved away from this.
I think class / race restrictions lose something, a true expression of one self, i feel you should have the right to play whatever race class combo u want.
The option existing allows those who want a lore abiding combination, while allowing others to prioritise game play and i think thats magical.
It creates special moments when u see someone take a odd race and class combo and see them make it look amazing, its unique and a experience and shows the effort a player has made to really portray their character as a expression of themselves.
I like that there is freedom to make any race be anything
BUTTTTTTTT
I am lore nerd and I get hives just thinking about Lightforged Draenei be Warlocks… It just goes against the whole thing of that race
Well, they could make it similar to demon hunters, where most people die trying to become one. So they could make it a thing, where void elves, who try to become a paladin have to go under a really hard process with high risk, but if it works, they become a cosmic void paladin xd C’moon: Wouldn’t that be COOL af?
I do wonder how this will affect realms like argent dawn.
Im sure theres a way to make it lore fitting espically when the new draenei customization drops.
Its one of these things that in time if designed well and depicted well with effort it could br something really unique. While simultaniously anything half assed is going to look terrible in the RP side of things.
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The Lightforged Warlock “problem” is not a problem at all actually in my humble opinion
We witness how draenei are turned into Lightforged. The Forge of Aeons reinforces a draenei’s mind, body, and soul with the power of the light after facing their inner demons and their inner turmoil
But this not means you are necesarily have to be “good”.
T’paartos faced his memories and fears, striking down physical manifestations of them. His Lightforged trial with him confronting T’paartos the Fallen, an image of his darkness who tempted him to leave the Light behind and embrace the Fel.
But a Lightforged Warlock (or Draenei) are not leaving the Light behind!
A Warlock - according the visual guide - are magical practitioners that seek to understand darker magics, among other fel-based and destructive spells. While many warlocks willingly follow the Burning Legion, there are those who work against it, using their magic to fight against evil.
Legion class preview even states, though they often pledge themselves to the service of noble causes and are not innately evil, their desire to understand darker magics and exercise unwavering command over demonic forces breeds mistrust among even their closest allies.
According the WoW game guide: In the face of demonic power, most heroes see death. Warlocks see only opportunity. Dominance is their aim, and they have found a path to it in the dark arts.
The ritual of Lightforging reinforces a draenei’s mind, body, and soul with the power of the light - so you are strong both mentally, spiritually and phisically. You have an extra layer of deffense of the Fel’s corrosive effect (you can sey, the Light already claimed you, and a jelous Force it is, guards what it have…)
During the trials you faced your inner demons, fears and weaknesses… and conquered them! Any weakness a Demon could exploit are gone! And you already - arguably - insane enough to be in a Cult. Yes. It is a cult mooooom.
The Light seeks one path and shuns all others as lies!
The Light seeks to rule, dominate, “guide” and uphold Order and Law and Justice - things that are not really defined by any universal principle, but the individual - thats why “evil” fanatics, Crimsons and so on, even one of Kel’Thuzad’s Horseman are capable to utilize it and no divine punshiment comes down to strip of their power.
What is the ultimate form of domintion and punsihment in the case of the Demons if not Demonology and the art of the Warlocks?
“By divinie right I command thu , vile creature to fight and die in the name of the Light and for me! Again… again… and again! Even Death will not save you from the wrath and the judgment of the Lightforged! By my sanctified blood I will seal our deal, our pact will be your chain and you will kill your own despicable kind because the Light… and ME wills it! OBEY!”
Nothing being good or bad. Its that Light opposes Fel. Its just like trying to mix water and oil, or push two same polarity magnets together, you just cant do it. Making normal Draenei into Warlocks is good and all, they arent full of Light energy, but LFDraenei are already filled to the brim of the one, like you said, they arent leaving Light behind so they still have the opposing energy in them
No
The Naaru and their Army of Light opposes Fel, the Legion and Sargeras
Not the same thing
It is just some headcanon Light and Fel won’t mix and would never mix. Just take the Sargerei for example from Draenor; they were secret cultist and Fel users for quite a some time, not decided overnight, I will be Red and join my brothers and sisters from Argus.
They even worked undercover in the most holiest of holy places of the Draenei, the Auchindoun under the very nose of the Vigilants and others
The problem is they are infused with Void, which is complete opposite of Light. I don’t if it wasn’t retconed but I’m sure Turalyon couldn’t even touch Alleria, who wasn’t even infused yet, while he was Lightforged, as they almost exploded. But ppl are RPing with it.
You cannot just shapeshift the mechanized parts. Using Life magic? Sure. Shapeshift? No.
Yup and Blizzard failed to deliver some proper writing. Some races were simply not intended to be certain classes.
Retconed, First Ones created everything.
So they explode together and therefore you can’t have Void Elf paladin.
And many of them are dead. I don’t think they should be copied.
They failed to deliver lore behind LFD lock or Tauren rogue. “Here you have it.” Wasted potentional becouse LFD lock could be far more interesting. But no, it’s just “muh wunt powah”
It’s not unique if anyone can do that. I can make LFD lock too and play it. Nothing unique and ppl will get bored becouse their characters are not that unique and interesting as they tought.
Even basic Draenei, it’s just Man’ari, the entire race’s identity is rejection of Fel, altought there is a place for rogue individual. Mag’har aswell. But LFD are truly bad and Blizzard failed to write something interesting.
It definitely sounds likea nice concept, but I don’t have trust in Blizzard in delivery of anything like that since they failed with LFD lock.
Alright, this made me feel better about it, thanks.
Void is the direct opposition of The Light. One boss in Black Temple is a Shivarra demon and wields the Light so it’s not imposible for the to wield Fel. My problem were the trials.
Well, physically, just because you have 2 elements creating some type of friction and then creating an explosion (could be mechanical), they don’t become opposites. But yeah, intuitively, it seems like opposites with “darkness vs light”, i.e. void vs light, but it doesn’t have to be. They could also make void something that consumes light, and cosmic void something that happens when the void is saturated with light. I mean lorewise they can easily explain it without breaking the story, unless I miss something. Also, in other fantasy universes you also have mixes between opposite forces. For example there are Pokémon, who are water+fire type, and it didn’t ruin the pokémon universe. Especially Fel though is really just a cosmic force, and it’s neutral on its own. There is no contradiction between fel and void/light at all.
Not a contradiction
Like how Evolution is not a proof God don’t exist - if we wander to a very dangerous theological territory
The theory of evolution explains the how but not the why and in the eyes of many, it is the tool of God
Similarly the Light and Void potentially could be the tool of the First Ones and by mixing them that caused the Big Bang they created the physical universe. The old lore said Light existed and in the abscence of Light Void, it is not a contradicticon with the new lore, even bofre that, the First Ones who created these forces to create more forces and the universe
The old and new lore could co-exist
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They are direct opposites on the cosmological chart. Both old and new one.
Good argument, but you still have Light and Void explode when they touch. That’s my entire problem.