Who, Method?
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blizzard ruined my childhood
now they are ruining it again with this!
SAD!
First - they leveled as 5man in dungeons. You only needed 6+ if you had a bad group comp and/or if people didnât know what they were really doing. They might have leveled as a raid group when they did LBRS from 53-60, but they turned off stream to hide which place they farmed so their competition couldnât copy them. Up until 53 they were only 5man in their groups - AND YOU CAN STILL DO THIS.
Second - Of course they shouldnât be banned. There is no way of knowing if something is a bug or just how it actually was in original vanilla, unless you work at Blizzard that is.
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No one cares. It was in the game and it was blizzardâs fault. This fix is better for the game in the long run. Anyone who was competing for classic first kill was using this feature at least to some extent. If it wasnât in the game they would have had an even easier time since they are pretty good levelers outside of dungeon spamming.
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There is no way of knowing if something is a bug or just how it actually was in original vanilla, unless you work at Blizzard that is.
Why are people saying this? This is patently absurd in this context. From wowwiki:
Raid-sized groups dramatically decrease experience gained.
The farming groups seen this week have made it abundantly clear that this is not whatâs happening right now. Itâs barely lower at all. And itâs blindingly obvious.
Since the beginning of time, this has been the case. Ingame loading screen tips have been saying this for 15 years aswell. Why do you think nobody farmed dungeons in 10-man-raids the whole time to grind exp in vanilla? This includes everything bar ZG and UBRS
Yes youâre right - wowwiki is always 100% correct.
APES leveled in 5 man groups and never in a raid. This is something you can STILL do, and would still be the fastest way to level. Only people that were low level and/or didnât know what they were doing needed 6+ raids.
Once more for good measure - APES never âabusedâ the raid XP bug.
Itâs funny how this guy Dudas just keeps playing a fool. Here are some hard facts for you, my friend, and if you canât understand them, then youâre just absolutely retarded:
- XP is supposed to be severely reduced in raid groups.
- XP was not severely reduced in raid groups. (I donât care what youâll say around this point - âit was in betaâ, âBlizzard knewâ or whatever. Facts are facts.)
- People who use raid groups to farm XP are therefore exploiting a bug.
- In basic law, not knowing the rules does not exempt you from punishment when you break them. Therefore, not knowing something is an exploit does not exempt you from punishment.
These 4 things are rock solid, hard af facts - not opinions, not something you can argue against. Just facts. If you donât understand any one of these, I suggest contacting a psychiatrist.
Also, as a bonus: htt ps://ww w.youtube. com/watch?v=GW7RpRH_nDo
And a bonus fact:
5. People knew very well that it was a bug.
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Hey again 
Iâm happy to be corrected, but I do believe Blizzard intended players to be able to enter dungeons as a 10-man raid, thus making it not a bug. I donât think anybody takes issue with people finishing dungeons as a 10-man itself. The problem is, aside from ZG/UBRS, there is no good reason to enter a dungeon as a raid group. Therefore, nobody ever did it.
The problem many of us have is that as soon as an exp bug is discovered which makes it highly lucrative for people to trivially spam SM Cath etc⌠as a 10-man raid, all of a sudden, the meta is completely obliterated, levelling-speed balance is upset too, and fine people are being punished for not exploiting by being vastly outlevelled by those who donât deserve to.
Totally agree. And fact that people got banned when used XP potion boosts in retail - proves that Blizz shall act, cause itâs pure exploit.
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How can you claim that and why should we believe you?
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Also here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/474963095
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I understand your concerns and there could be a situation that warrants such harsh measures, but I think those should be extraordinary measures for extraordinary things, not the standard for any regulation deviation. Itâs like shooting anyone that crosses the street on a red light or parks in wrong place. If you catch them give them a fine, otherwise as long as nothing serious happened who cares.
I know some people care about firsts, but surely a game first would qualify for some top stupidest world records that only they care about.
At the very least it makes sense to correct the xp gains to what they should have been.
Well now they took control other Black Lotus on their server, how it is fair?
If blizzard wont take actions, it will ruin game experience and fun for everyone on every servers.
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This bug only made them level slightly faster, its not like they couldnt reach 60 quick by doing 5 mans, so banning them or rolling them back would be incredibly harsh punishment for something that really didnt matter much in the long run. People are just out for blood because some no lifers did the thing too fast.
They would still be some of the first people to 60, they would still be the first to clear MC, they would still dominate all the world resources because thats what APES do. You think that the raid exp bug gave them some advantage, but it really does jack in comparison to what layers are doing for them right now.
I saw Monkeynews streaming 7 man Zf run, nothing wrong with it but yeah the did +5 dungon farm in classic
Canât help but notice that other Threads asking for consistent action regarding this issue are being Locked.
On the US Forum people linked a video of one of the UBRS APES runs, they did it with more than five. They did field a gaggle of Gnomes, though, so not all is bad (there is no such thing as too many Gnomes).
More disturbing, someone over there also pointed out that a streamer ârhyming with Mary Poppinsâ was uriging his compatriots to push their 10-manning âbefore mondayâ.
So, also given the apparent lack of other upholding of the ToS and such (e.g. hiring people to prevent logging out, making Streamer money of streaming pirate servers using Blizzardâs protected IP, now layering abuse to farm loads of Black Lotus to clear content faster and make loads of Gold etc) there is this theory that, given how the XP issue was apparently already very clear in Beta (and streamed), Blizz may have left it in/waited so long to fix it in order to have their golden children level to max ASAP.
That is just a theory floating about.
Personally, given how eg WoW Brazil is/was supposedly (planing of) doling out free BfA with 110 Boost or those who reach 60 in Classic - would be a clear breach of âno link between the two gamesâ - and the whole server issue (still not fixexed) for the moment I will just wait and see but so far this whole sordid affair gives me a bad taste in my mouth.
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I agree with all the things youâre saying, except that UBRS is a dungeon which is done in 15-man raid groups so itâs normal for people to form raids for it.
Yeah which is why I used rather neutral terms 
Personally I am more mystified by the apparent lack of consistent action, and how much of this all was doen in the open, again seemingly without repurcussions.
Some customers already have the feeling Blizz doesnât really like (the existence of) Classic, and this all doesnât help.
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Only Blizzard players would ever think anybody should be banned for abusing an in game bug.
Itâs the developers fault that the bug was there to be used, it was a part of the game and everybody had access to it.
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