This is not the same as grinding exp in SM Cath with 9 additional people though, is it?
Of course noone grinded xp in raid in SM cath. In raid xp was reduced heavily, and no quests could be completed.
Some rep grinds were done in raids even before 60, as rep gains were not reduced in group or raid. But even that was not common at all, on my server.
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Of course noone grinded xp in raid in SM cath. In raid xp was reduced heavily, and no quests could be completed.
Exactly. But this time, it was not thanks to the bug, which people exploited.
Why temp bans? When Blizzard banned guilds for kiting flame leviathan it wasnât temporary. If they should be banned, it should be permanent.
But the whole discussion is moot. They arenât going to do anything about the first guy to 60 account sharing, and they arenât going to do anything about this.
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Again, what does that have to do with raid groups grinding SM for XP? Why do you keep repeating an argument thatâs irrelevant to the subject?
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Association fallacy
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Ah, I see. It makes sense now. So Nemebetasâs logic is just broken. This explains all of his posts over the last several days.
The point is to poof that this was a thing back in 2006. In this case similar mechanic in classic was not suspicious. And since it is not suspicious there is no way APES could know it is a bug or anything and it would be unfair to ban them
Relax its not like those guyâs will have credit for it, they only get a 110 character boost reward.
Its not like they won a competition with a huge price pool ? They wasted tons of time, and there is no credit to be earned with it. Quite contrary they will have a bad reputation for exploiting a bug by a lot of people
But thatâs the joke a world first will always be controverse, because most of the time there is always some exploit being used. Here tons of people used that exploit so they should all be banned in your eyes ?
Imo just start a new server after a while, while the bug is fixed. And iâm pretty sure there will be a new exploit. Speed running is all about using exploits, this is nothing new. Not talking about cheating or glitches that is something different
Which instances did they raid exp grind in? If it wasnât UBRS/ZG, then it absolutely was not a thing in 2006.
In this case similar mechanic in classic was not suspicious
Doing this in any instances aside from the ones I mentioned earlier is so unbelievably suspicious. Nobody in their right mind who wants to level to 60 within the next decade will attempt to grind exp in a raid group in dungeons.
there is no way APES could know it is a bug
Ridiculous. These people walked over MC in greens. They know the basic properties of a raid group, just like every player ever who has played the game long enough to see a tip on the loading screen.
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Yes. I believe this was not a thing in ZF and in other 5 man dungeons. But it is still not suspicious enough to be consider as abusing. But if so, why everyone, including method core members (Trey), used same leveling tactic in ZF?
They played private servers which obviously inaccurate. There are a ton of bad mechanics in original vanilla/classic like leeway and spell batching. No one payed attention to another one.
But it is still not suspicious enough to be consider as abusing
I canât understand how you think this. Itâs so suspicious. There is no good reason at all for a raid group of 10 people to ever do ZF or SM Cath for experience. Itâs ludicrous. One of the first thing little Timmy learns about raid groups is that you gain basically zero experience.
They played private servers which obviously inaccurate
The MC run was proof of that.
There are a ton of bad mechanics in original vanilla/classic like leeway and spell batching. No one payed attention to another one.
Those are features, not bugs. This was a bug, which was exploited. Ergo, those who exploited the bug are, you know⌠Exploiters.
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Yeah, ban APES and 300k other people who also used this bug to their advantage.
Are you for real OP?
Lett them Play on all servers, as they like. And the rest for the 300k. Need to hold on to the real god players.
I canât understand how you think this. Itâs so suspicious.
I do not think so because 1. Similar mechanic existed back in 2006. It was not exactly like this, but you could run 5 man (brd, scholo, strat) in raid. 2. As I said vanilla/classic full of bad mechanics. I can see why you think spell batching is a features, but leeway is just broken even if this is how it was back in 2006.
The MC run was proof of that.
This is proof that they are an organized guild. Everyone said MC is a joke. And any guild with a little bit of experience could oneshot any boss in there. It is not about how hard MC is by itself. It is about how you manage your guild to reach 55-60 at the same time, grind hydraxian reputation and farm fire res gear.
Absolutely, yes.
Because basic laws of physics, life and everything dictate that everything chooses the path of least resistance. If people can get higher XP in raids than what they are supposed to get, then they will abuse the F out of it and then claim âit was clever use of game mechanicsâ or âwe didnât knowâ.
It was a well known issue. It was reported in beta. There is video material showing APES forming raid groups for SM and ZF.
WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED???
I seriously f*cking bet my buttholeâs virginity that even if the GM of APES comes here and says âyes, we exploited raid XP to power-level to 60â you will jump and defend him with âno, you just used something that Blizzard hadnât fixedâ.
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Itâs impossible to believe APES thought this was like original vanilla. They are far too well researched for that.
Question for APES is, when this xp formula was part of the game since beta 2 at least, and with no statement from Blizzard that it was a bug, what should they do?
The practical difference was time to grind in a group of 6 or 7 raid instead of 5. Theyâd have won their first anyway, and crushed their competitors anyway. I canât say I personally get that upset about it. Outcome is a few hours difference.
The mass of people on some servers that grinded xp the same way have more impact, as they are a lot more players, but is for that reason also way harder to sanction. In practise, too hard. So Blizzard painted themselves into a corner between beta 2 and release, and nothing to do about that now.
If you donât care, donât. If you want to quit over it, quit. If you feel impressed by APES performance, do. If you donât, donât. You canât change the facts now anyway, however much weâd all (or mostly alI suppose) have wanted them to be different.
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#rekt in west moscow
Ban? Nah. I think it might be too much because a lot of people arent sincere and used this dirty method.
Rollback? Hell yes, bloody egoist naabs. If they dont wanna play classic, they can go to retail, lvling there is much easier.
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Rollback? Hell yes, bloody egoist naabs.
If there is a way to roll back everyone who used this bug then yes, I am all for it.
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