APM too high on some specs -> Increase GCD please

:man_facepalming:

What’s to say you’re not then?

But what if I really like the theme and visuals if fury warrior but am to old and slow to play it max? Even with Hekili and mostly getting the right buttons :pensive:

Tbh I can’t even parse 50. I suspect I just can’t press buttons fast enough.

About the OP

APM is a problem nowadays; it’s been a while since people were “performing well” by clicking spells without getting a huge punish in their overal performance; as the game progressed through the years, slowly, the game has turned into something quicker.

I often like to think about it, of the times of TBC or WotLK when APM wasnt that high in PvP, the skill mattered way more into strategy, possition, decisions (and of course, imba broken things); it was very shamefull to be a keyboard-smasher monkey and a person who only cares about padding, because you would not be the best player, or even a regular average player, because decisions were above from actions (decisions>actions).

In the current game (from several expansions now), the tables has turned. Of course you still need knowledge of CD trading, possition and micro-plays, but let’s be honest for a minute; in 2600 SoloShuffle MMR you often see DPSS who are literaly NPCs who just press W and spam abilities as fast and optimal as they can, but ignoring crucial fundamentals of the game such as CD trading, possition, coordination, etc, and we are talking about a 2600 guy, 150p average away from R1 SoloShuffle titles.

The picture of it all is very funny, because nowadays you can ignore or bypass the basic possitional knowledge in arenas (that could tho be extrapoled to any other type of content) just by being very active in APM and “padding” performance and still be very competitive, whereas if you are a slow APM player but very consistent in possition or knowledge, you will not even reach a normie rating.

So yes, in my opinion the game needs to take a chill pill in the GCD and APMs, not only for PvP, but for every content, I consider unhealthy to have this ammount of abilities, plus macros and items, and have to press a key every 0.33s, when maybe in a single rotation I need to press often certain sequence of abilities that may or may not be close key-bind wise, turning into a potential long-term physical injury.

Back then, you had the same ammount of keybinds, maybe less maybe more, but you would not use them that often. The fact that the game was less complex rotation wise, made the game comfortable to play with little physical stress, which is something that some of us miss in today’s version of the game.

TLDR of the TLDR, high APMs are bad because the game biases button smashing over decision making, and with enough abilities, items and macros to press, a player could get a long term physical injury by the intensity of APMs.

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Your not as good as you think you are and you really need to stop looking down on players because of a game.

which is it ? answer is neither , you are in top 15% atm

Then send emails. post on ptr or do in game suggestions because atm it just looks like you are on forums to look down on people and wind them up.

If someone doesn’t use every GCD and only raids normal, I don’t think they will perceive my issue in the same way, but again, they play the game differently and I think that’s fine and I don’t look down on them. You’re making things up in your head

Difference between normal and mythic raids is mechanic’s still the same actions needs for dps and other such things and you do come across as somebody who thinks they are elite when they are not.

Never said that. I’m not amazing. I’m just a very solid player I’d say in many ways and on different classes/roles in pvp and pve. I think I can definitely say that this game is too fast paced and too bloated, because I play a lot, and I shouldn’t feel the way I do based on my perfomance. I think the barrier to entry is too big, and it’s physically unhealthy to keep up with what’s optimal

I cant take you serious when somebody agreed with you about APM and then you say “how can you know in normal” i think i am just going to mute you from now on as you basically just troll even when people agree with you.

To be fair, how can us mere mortals comprehend what happens at those dizzying heights? You should be grateful that such titans deign to scatter their pearls of wisdom amongst us plebeians occasionally.

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Not sure why u quote this again, as if it was an own. Being in the 9% of M+ players refers to all people playing M+ right now statistically on raiderio. 1-5% refers to overall players including LFR players. The 1-5% is just an empty estimation on how I perceive myself overall. Could be better, could be worse. Very likely better than 9%

Just wanted to communicate that I definitely belong to the more “tryhard” section of the playerbase, and me feeling that way means that some of the higher end content is likely out of reach for a lot of people, which is a very bad thing. The game should return to ~wotlk-design as “speedahx” described

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Damn send me some - I hate it on BM hunter looking at dead buttons as everything is on CD

I guess select more passive Talents.
Don’t equip On Use trinkets.
Macro some abilities together.

Not everyone can (or should) min-max to the Nth degree. You’re in (or were) Scared of Dungeons they are not going to kick you for doing slightly less DPS.
Do the best you can, nobody should ask anymore of you (not even yourself).

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It’s not really a case of passive talents, it’s that it’s something upwards of 60 APM whatever I do.

I can run Hekili to prompt me as to what is “probably” the right button, I can bash that button with ~90% accuracy, and still parse 40%. I suspect that I lose 0.1-0.2 seconds per GCD because I don’t “clickaclickaclickaclicka” my keyboard and just try to press once/skill to avoid RSI. Which would cost me about 10-20% of my damage.

Which is about where I parse :pensive:

Which is probably why I can be absolutely fine on healing specs and suck at most dps.

An alternative to reducing APM would be to move the game to allow press-and-hold to work, such that we don’t have that taptaptaptaptaptaptap thing going on for high speed specs. If I could press a button half a second in advance and have the game check when GCD ends and see if something is held down - that’s one tap per action, and it would be much less uncomfortable.

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I guess there are probably technical solutions to make it easier to play.

I used to really like Paladin and that was my main TBC to Cata. But in MOP I switched to Gram as fights got too mobile and Paladin had changed quite a lot in style. I was struggling in the mobile fights so I found shaman being able to stand still and hurl lightning bolts a lot easier to handle.
I still level my paladin (it’s currently almost 69) but I don’t play it much.
I have a Blood DK that I play sometimes too, although it’s still only 60. I like that it’s a more chilled pace to play and if mobs get out of melee range I can death grip them back to me.

So there are some classes / specs that I struggle with now and some I find easier. I guess I choose more based on what I can do these days as my eyesight gets even worse. Someday I’ll have to go hunter…

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100% agree…

I play Warrior DD and I have deliberately switched to Arms. Even though theoretically it does half the dps of Fury.

But in practice, I do half the dps with Fury than with Arms. Simply because I cannot play Fury as its intended to be played.

I just cant keep up with the APM. Im too old for that stuff.

IMO: Every spec/class should have a high APM and a low APM equivalent.

In the case of fury, I really enjoyed the addition of the Annihilator build. In theory, it should decrease the amount of APM required.

But in practice, not only does it do less damage (right now, we will see in S3) but its as spamy, or more, than the regular Raging Blow build.

As for Arms, it could be a neat equivalent. But its just not tuned correctly for M+.

I believe that proper tuning is the right way to address this issue.

We can do that :slight_smile:
There’s also a Press and hold cast setting. So you can hold the button.

I have to second this.

I hate the awful slow GCD in FF. It’s so dull.

Gameplay should feel fluid.

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I thought that was only for evokers? :open_mouth:

I know we can press a bit in advance, but somehow I still come out with relatively low APM even though I feel like I’m pressing every global.

That or my account’s hidden dps modifier just minrolled, idk.

No, it basically spams the ability every 50ms

The press button in advance is by default 400ms. I think it is a cvar you can change to make it work for your own comfort.

Interesting… although it would screw with my evoker by triggering everything at level 1 :joy_cat: