well by your argumentation anything is to blame except yourself.
I don’t quite understand that cause if I lose in Arena (and I do lose plenty even on super low mmr even tho I have decent experience I’d like to think) I m just surprised at how unaware I was and what I should’ve done better.
what’s to gain going onto the forums and crying about it? blizzard won’t change a thing just because you rant about it on eu arena forums.
Took you long enough to come! I used to be 2,6k+ on retail and AT as well back in the days when it still was a pvp benchmark. Now I’m nowhere near as good, but I still know how to play defence. By “getting killed instantly” I mean “getting killed instantly”. There’s no place for skill, nor tactic. That’s exactly why I’m pissed off. So you are welcome to take your smarttalk somewhere else.
I mean, people on r1 range play with a keyboard and a mouse as well, and games take up to 10 minutes. what does that tell you?
maybe that using defensive cds against offensive cds will result in a game not ending instantly, yes?
It tells me that they play dmg + heal and none of them plays DK.
And what are those “defensive cds” you’re talking about I’m supposed to use? Shell breaks so quickly the animation can barely unfold properly. 30% dmg reduction from icebound is irrelevant. Using all my resources for healing won’t outheal the burst. Are there any “defensive cds” I’m not aware of? Because yeah, if I had the “you-can’t-touch-me-for-10-secs” button like most classes do, I would totally be able to trade. But I don’t.
so the dks that play above 1400 rating got there how exactly?
because according to you it seems you’re of the opinion that dk isn’t much more viable than 1400 as it dies in the opener in every match-up
I already mentioned above how they got there exactly. And surprise surprise, it doesn’t seem to be a playstyle that DK is supposed to be about.
this “Hey looks me im high rating, game is good, plz tell me im cool ok?” crowd is so cringe and delusional and remarkably ignorant
the game is fundamentally broken pvp wise which means, its not made for pvp, noone is balancing it for pvp, the devs does not want it to be a pvp game, the devs are not investing any budget into the pvp aspect of the game, its not a pvp game.
You might as well go naked. People have 227 ilvl at this point which is 30 more than you have. Of course you get blown up.
really? I thought I was decently geared currently with my 216. from what I’ve seen most r1s on ladder hover around 219 - 221.
it still is a big gap tho that’s right
Wait a minute… no imunities? You literally can get out of a stun with IBF and are immune to stuns… Fears… Something else… You have AMS and AMZ… That speed boost to get the fk out… Chains of ice to kite… Pet stun… Strangulate and on top of that a 30% dmg reduction!
You know that this 100% dodge is garbage since you do a lot of dmg as spells and all other classes as well? Pet still can stun when evasion is up! Cloak? You know that this does not help against melee attacks lasts 6sec and has a 2min cooldown and with the latest additions in Shadowlands it does not remove slows from mages and some other stuff?
Yes the whole game is busted but hey… Look at the bright side… you gotta think now what you do, not like before… sit the stun… wait and then desrroy who ever dared to face you in arena with all the damage and survivability you had!
30% damage reduction on a 3 minute cooldown.
AMS is ~15k shield at best, lasts 6 seconds, just like cloak, but can be broken. It does nothing against physical damage.
AMZ is 20% reduction unless talented into Dome, again, nothing against physical damage.
You’ll (pretty much) never pick strangulate over blind as Frost.
If you’re trying to say that DK has equal tools to rogues to get out of physical damage, you’re capping.
If you’re trying to say DK has equal tools to rogues to get out of magical damage, I’d say they’re about even.
Dying in CC isn’t a DK issue. Dying regardless of your defensives is a DK issue.
The meta is shi*t right now, like you use defensives when they go you and either you die through or you die the next go. Like sometimes you dont even have the time to react because (against rmp) you die within 0,5 sec or you trinket out use wall and cc and die the next go.
I actually disagree… evasion is garbage… i would take 30% dmg reduction and stun imunity over evasion any time any day even with a 3min cd… In evasion i get stunlocked to death with 0 dmg reduction… simple as that… with Magic avoidance you have hands down the upper hand… Now stop… Play a rogue for once and then come back…
And as some say, pvp is garbage right now so… If the dmg goes down by some percentage for example of monks and warriors… you would be absolutely fine and would rise like crazy…
There are some classes that simply win because of the class…
The simple reality is that it’s a swap that wouldn’t benefit rogues even if it sounds good. Ideally (imo) both rogues and dks are adjusted to be able to queue with anything other than mage and warrior/ww respectively as well. (Without making those comps even crazier.)
I’m not a fan of making classes or even specs wholly reliant on 1 or 2 other classes to function.
My monk with no gear (like 167ilvl I think) literally melts in arena to the extent I have to pop every defensive I have and try to kill so yes, if you’re low geared, you’re going to die fast. Just keep getting that vault item 
As Koiffen said, those CDs are simply not sufficient to keep me alive.
When it comes to rogue, the fact that it has smaller defence capabilities compared to wotlk/cata is probably the only healthy change I’ve noticed so far. You got the strongest cc & opener (which you’re able to pull off 10/10 times unless you screw up big time) by far. Being untouchable on top of that was simply too much. You’re supposed to be a glass cannon, that’s the whole point of a class that has stealth & best cc & arguably highest burst in the game. Rogue is healthy right now, problem is, top-tier classes are way overtuned and that’s why rogues also struggle on ladder. However, at least your playstyle (cc + nuke + /bye) is still valid. On the other hand, my playstyle (survive burst & win with higher sustained dmg) just doesn’t seem to exist anymore.
Lol… We are a stun bot for other classes that do actual damage… Yes we do have some burst, it’s not 0 and its not that bad either but cmon… Best burst in game? You joking… Right? Please say you are…
If mage gets nerfed it does impact rogues due to mage being the damage dealer…
Rogue provides the cc for others to have a moment of peace when they pop the target… That is the purpose of the rogue… We are glass but nowhere near the cannon you think…
As i thought… This comment just prooved that everything you have said is based on your individual feelings…
You have to consider the squish. Now 3 ilvl are like 15 ilvl ins BfA. So his 197 ilvl would be the same if he queued with 445 ilvl at the end of BfA S4.
Even if, what seems to be a problem with that? As long as you have a role your class is suitable for, you’re fine. What, are you telling me that being able to turn the fight into 2v1 situation for 30 seconds is not enough, regardless of wether you are the one having the highest burst or not? Furthermore, the spam of 5k+ hits on gcd I’m getting from 175-185 ilvl rogues through ibf certainly doesn’t look bad to me.
Being able to take the rogue down easily after he’s done with his opener is totally okay. If you’re not willing to admit that having amazing opener & amazing cc & amazing defensive cds & amazing burst in one class is not a reasonable expectation, then I don’t know what to tell you. You currently have 2/4, which is perfectly ok. I got exactly 0/4, which is garbage. The problem is, top-tier classes have 3-4/4.
Screenshot with the 5k+ crits with shadowstrike especialy from that low ilvl or it never happened… I have 210ilvl and my shadowstrikes crit 5k max on cloth… Plate + IBF… Oh you are such a bad liar… Please dont mention numbers anymore… I just cannot take you serious anymore…
And maybe blizz made our role to be stunlocking ppl for the dps to kill them… So what? You where made to grab them and lock them in place for warriors… monks and you icy thing spam… therefore you have that limb covenant and default grip… Stop whining now… We found your role… We found rogues role… All happy you have now a purpose!!