Didn’t the spores degenerate them into flesh? I remember reading something like that.
I don’t think that Brigante would see them as degeneration. Elves are still more intelligent than Trolls and have a long life span compared to them.
Yeah, the spores from the Botanni caused them to turn from stone into flesh.
Debatable.
Agreeable.
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Yes, the botani infection affected them not dissimilar to the curse of flesh the old gods created.
But I mean at the end of the day they have pro’s and cons to both of them- And even Algalon admits that mortals, imperfect beings of flesh triumph where the perfect machinations of the titans fail.
This sometimes goes the opposite way too.
The longer-life span is not racial evolution, but relying on an outside source. Highborne were dropping like flies in Tirisfal without the well, suffering from cold, disease, etc, etc.
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This.
Even king rastakhan was able to live for centuries because Rezan willed it so.
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Chronicles say no.
Yes, Elves are addicted but even without any well they were able to life for millennias.
I’d say overall it was a gift. Being an actual person with emotions and feelings is much more preferable than being a cold machine made of steel. For once the Old Gods were useful!
Titanforged constructs did feel emotion, though, and had feelings.
I can’t see a difference either lol.
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They have feelings and emotion, but they are not blinded by it or driven by it.
The titanic watchers have shown emotion such as the Maiden of Grief in Halls of Stone.
The titanic keepers, such as Thorim have shown anger and hatred.
So on and so forth.
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After the reignition of the Sunwell and it being infused with Light, the Mana addiction of the Blood Elves was cured, I thought.( Was a hit and miss imo, the Blood Elves and their story were far cooler/ darker without the reignited Sunwell, but alas).
As for the Nightborne, maybe you forgot or didn’t do the questlines in Suramar, where you had to grow a special tree. That tree bore fruit that actually cured the Nightbornes’ addiction to the Nightwell.
That is the only advantage they have over them but to be honest I see it as something that is backfiering badly if they become infertile in the process, and not so keen on reproducing.
Trolls are intelligent enough, if elven intelligence really mattered they wouldn’t rely that much on outside help.
All the edge they had was given by outside source.
I always thought it was “prowler stance” showing that they’re ready to combat any moment.
I don’t see how troll women look like humans at all. They have distinctive facial structures and anathomy, the only thing that makes them similar is the stance, that’s all.
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You trolls need to invent a humour loa, that way you’ll be able to get jokes.
Yea I know you joked but I wanted to elaborete, problem? 
As much as I hate to bring game mechanics into it, Elves are more intelligent than Trolls, and Sin’dorei are more intelligent than Kaldorei, so they evolved, rather than degenerated. The example of Sapiens and primates applies, physically they devolved, mentally they evolved, so it doesn’t really count as degeneration.
True facts.
Same reason female Orcs did and males didn’t for so long. Despite people claiming those races are so macho, people still wanted the females to look more ‘pretty’. I mean have you -seen- the original female Troll model? It is magnificently Trollish. It is not, by human conventional standards, ‘pretty’.
Ehhh, Its Evolution, but not necessarily saying Elves are better. Trolls are stronger, and regenerate, Elves are smarter and live longer (Just going with the facts as Blizzard state them!)
That is an interesting point though, is Elven Longevity a result of their Troll heritage? A refinement or rather different route that it takes? Troll Regeneration would likely really not turn out well for a race with a long lifespan (without Loa intervening) as excessive regeneration is essentially what cancer is (That isn’t mocking cancer, before anyone thinks so, I have lost a parent to that, and know how horrible it is, which is also how I know -what- it is), Perhaps it is that simple, a different path of ‘evolution’, Trolls are the candle that burns ten times as bright, for shorter span, Elves burn slower, but longer, both have a fierce life spark that drives them, Trolls regenerate, Elves live long.
Interesting idea, even if I did pluck it out of thin air…
That…isn’t anything to do with longevity…I mean I could die of Hypothermia, or Leukaemia, it doesn’t mean that humans die in their mid 40’s anymore. I think those deaths were due to the circumstances they were in, longevity does not equal immunity to the various vicissitudes of life. I mean the Kaldorei -were- immortal, but could still die, the Draenei are functionally immortal, with even mushroom sellers living 25,000 years, but they can still die. Longevity is about the average or predicted life span, without mishap, it doesn’t mean you are guaranteed to live that long, especially if you do silly things like get exiled to undiscovered lands/fight interminable wars.
World of Warcraft says no as well. Sin’dorei are the most intelligent playable race. That just is how it is.
Ehh, Yes and No. The Highborne, and those of their blood, are still dependent upon mana, whether Nightborne, Blood or High Elf, all are dependent. It is weird that people regard it as similar to a drug addiction, I mean, we’re all addicted to food? Without it we would wither and die.
The Mana addiction wasn’t -cured- by the renewal of the Sunwell, however the Sunwell sustains that addiction wherever in the world you are, you don’t need to drain living creatures like the Blood Elves, or magical items like the High Elves, hence Blood Elves can find their way to the Light independently, and are no longer vampiric in nature (Hashtag To hells with gold eyes, green eyes 4 lyfe)
What?
Elves are not Infertile? I mean quite famously so…
If you are referring to the frequency that they breed then that is an entirely different thing, for example, a Queen Ant can churn out thousands upon thousands of ants, a Turtle can lay hundreds of Eggs, Cats and Dogs have litters of offspring, humans tend towards one at a time, maybe two, six makes the national press. Racial longevity plays a big part. Longer a species lives, generally the slower it breeds, shorter a species lives, generally the quicker it breeds, which is simple biological imperative. If Trolls bred at the same rate as Elves, the Species would have died out, if Elves bred at the same rate as Trolls, the Species would have torn itself apart due to infighting for space to live. It is just the nature of biology.
Trolls are Intelligent. Elves are more Intelligent. Such is the word of Blizzard.
I always thought that, then the female model ruined that idea… Lets face it, they went with hunches to look ‘savage’
Look at a Darkspear Male, then look at a Darkspear Female, for that matter, look at an Orc Male, then look at an Orc Female…
Yeah…no humanising the female models at all…no sireee…
I thought that was Jani. Best Loa Ever…
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true but at same time they where kind of programed to always do what their task was, where anyone who got the curse or gift of flesh, is able to unreasonable thinking and can do what they feel is the right way.
tita constructs can also do this, but for most of the part this meens they have to analyize it to se if it can work, For example Alagalon, he had to be defeated before he could analyze that there was hope, and most of them in ulduar who had been reprogramed had to be reboted so to speak.
made my day😍
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Curious, is that stated somewhere? Thought Gnomes were the most intelligent 
maybe shared first place with elves, and all elven races, why would Sin’dorei be more intelligent than Kaldorei? 
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You do not hate to bring game-mechanics into it. You are bringing game mechanics into it because you lack any kind of proper sourcing for this.
I also find it very illustrative that you claim that elves are more intelligent then trolls, because game mechanics say so, but humans are not more intelligent then a bunch of bellowing giants stuck in a rather primitive form of society. Double standards much? A bit of cherry-picking? I am gonna dislocate an eye from rolling them so hard here.
Brigante: “Humans are a pathetic degeneration.”
Araphant: “But if we take that logic, and apply it to elves, your favorite race is a second step degeneration.”
Brigante: “No, no, you do not understand. Elves are more intelligent then trolls, and further more, blood elves are more intelligent then night elves, despite being literally a walking degeneration of the kaldorei.”
Also, according to your game mechanics, humans are stronger then night elves. A regular human is much stronger then a kaldorei, although they are obviously physically inferior. So no, you do not have a source, you are conveniently grabbing onto something which is relatively senseless.
Hell, according to base attributes, a goblin is stronger then a night elf, as is a blood elf.
You want to try defending these conclusions? That’s what comes out of your game mechanics.
So, I demand two sources. One to prove that elves are more intelligent then trolls, another to prove that blood elves are more intelligent then night elves.
ironically enough, you might be able to prove the first, but only because Kaldorei are descended from a particularly primitive tribe, the only one which has failed to create an empire…
Actually, it does have something to do with longevity. If someone is invoking the “elves live longer” argument, it is quite necessary to mention whether they live longer because of the inherent development of the species, or because there is a convenient empowering magical well nearby.
If the well empowering them elves does not matter, then Turalyon is the pinnacle of human evolution.
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