I know i’m for sure gonna get flamed hard for this one, since it seems most people like to bash mages and rogues every opportunity they get, especially in combination (looking at you SL s1, s2, s3 & s4 even though mages were completely unplayable in any other comp for the whole expansion).
Look, I know mages, well arcane mages, are good and right now and Raikus sitting on an impressive 3.1k solo shuffle CR. That’s pretty much the thing though, HE is. And it feels like mage tuning is based around the performance of him and other top performing mages such as Thesia, Avizura, Ziqo etcetc… I was just scrolling through how the top performing specs of each class were doing in solo shuffle on the ladder and Mage was the only class with a sub 2400-rating at the #100 spot. The #100 spot was at 2230 cr. Compare that to the class with 2nd lowest rating at the #100 spot, arms warriors which currently sits at 2414 at the same position in the ladder. Personally I feel like the difference between 2200 and 2400 is pretty massive even though some of you might argue both to be low or “elo-hell”.
Point being, as a very very average mage (2500 SL exp) it’s super not fun having to try super hard every game at like 1900 cr while other classes seem to be steamrolling through the ladder with instant burst and insane defensive cds.
If you feel like its just a L2P-issue, fine it is what it is lol, just wanna see what people think about the state of mage atm, these are just my 2 cents.
Yeah mage is the hardest class to play in pvp atm.
Literally die to everything instantly, and all your defensives can get dispelled.
As arcane all your dmg is hardcast, when you get kicked you cant do anything except nova/RoF/blastwave/DB.
Frost is a bit easier to play.
Fire is omega bad.
Aye that’s what I’m experiencing as well. 95% of Damage, CC and mobility/defensives is all in the same school of magic with pretty much everything being hardcasted and/or dispellable. The exception being Ice Block but given how broken Spriests have been and the fact there are so many priests in general with fast MD as pretty much a baseline talent it can be close to redundant some times.
Just annoying to be forced to outplay 3 kicks/grounding/grips/ams/stuns/grounding/SW:D/Cloak/AmZ etcetc with fakes, positioning and whatnot before being able to start playing the class and at that point someone on your team is dead lol.
OK fair enough, frost demo was broken in S3 especially cause of the resolve trinket. Frost got some more options that season in general but it wasnt really a meta spec in s1 and 2 though, right? Can’t speak for s4 as i quit that season. Regarding last AWC, all i remember was everyone resorting to Outlaw RMP. Casual dads, Kungarna, SK gaming for example. What other fire mage comps was there? Cant seem to remember, but if there was any good performing Fire mage/X (not rogue) last AWC then ait. I do however remember the AWC before that when I think WW/Fire/Hpal won the whole thing. So I guess I was overexaggerating a little bit regarding fire being bad with any other comp than RM for the entire expansion.
But honestly the main thing for me is the current season where mage seems to be tuned to play a setup-based style having to hard cast absolutely everything, but in this meta with permanent gamewide 15% CC reduction, high mobility creep and super high burst damage it just feels awkward and clunky as hell if you arent for example Raiku.
I get you mate.
I leveled frost mage and after few shuffles, just felt like never playing it again, as a frost I can’t kite nothing, could be my lack of skill in play also of course, I just got tunneled to
death nonstop.
About SL, mage + war wasn’t bad also, just RMP are almost always better, but it’s don’t mean other comps are bad.
Cheers homie!
Thats how it do be sometimes. And yeah, you’re right about mage + warr. I’ll check my whining abit when there actually are comps that are playable, I guess I discard comps when RM is clearly better. Have a nice night!
The problem with mage or setup classes in general is that they need coordination with cc to work well, something that is missing alot in SS, especially at lower ratings.
that was only the case in S4. The seasons before ww/mage, sp/mage, war/mage, ele/mage, lock/mage were all s tier or atleast high a tier combs.
Firemage was giga broken at the start of SL literally being immortal.
dont compare classes, im 2.3 cr on boomy and was top 15 or something a week ago. There are way worse specs for shuffle than mage.
While mage isnt s tier both arcane and frost are represented in highrated shuffle but yes they are way harder to have success on than in shadowlands thats true.
Absolutely, I definitely overexaggerated and I’m sorry about that since that statement was supposed to be a footnote rather than the main point in this thread, but that’s on me.
I feel like comparing classes are kind of the point if we want the game to be diverse and not just running into the same meta classes in every lobby?
From what I’ve gathered from both the solo shuffle representation statistics that has been published and my own experience there are not a lot of mages q’ing at all compared to other classes. My belief is that this is because of how unforgiving the class is at the moment and its both super clunky and frustrating, as can also be seen here.
My point isn’t that they’re bad but truly frustrating to play at the moment. And also - good job on getting 2.3k on boomy! Not an easy task given their current position in the meta. Props. However you have the option to play less demanding specs such as feral and resto if you’d like, mages don’t.
As a frostmage, I have more problems peeling for my teammate than surviving the melee zerg myself tbh. Displacement helps a ton, and so does saving barrier to remove snares.
In the current meta, it seems that set-up based comps/playstyles are generally disfavored, and you are rewarded if you focus on dps.
And casting is a no-go, unless to bait kicks. Precognition helps a bit to clutch out important casts, but most of the time, you will still be shoved around if you dare.
As frost you can just make heavy go’s every 30-40 seconds if you play right. As arcane your job is to get a sheep in and one nuke and hope your dps can clear something out while healer is cced
what i meant is compare specs not classes just to tell you there are even worse specs but yes mage isnt super strong in shuffle right now no matter what spec.
true but feral and boomy have nothing in common they are completely different playstyles/specs while mage gameplay is pretty similiar across all specs atleast the basics.
Arcane mage (and all mages) are pretty fun and can do amazing plays. It is the only spec ive found that can consistently kite 2 zug zugers. The utility is amazing.
Unfortunately, same with hunters, your damage will suffer while you kite, peel, purge and cc, and more often then not, your dps team mate will fail to capitalize on that while later whispering bruh, where is the damage.
There is a reason why hunters and mages are two least rep classes in RSS, and that is being too dependent on others and not having zug damage.
p.s. it doesnt help that even tho both are kind of weak in RSS, a hunter is a nightmare for mages.
