Are there places you can spread word about abusive people?

Hey. A general question I would like some serious answers. I’m not bringing up the whole case out on the forums, knowing that the whole topic will be derailed into off-topic in no time as many other threads have been, or being labeled as witch-hunter.

There is something I have been experiencing while roleplaying however, and this is some people being OOCly abusive in order to get their way IC. I would like to spread word and help people see them for who they are instead of staying silent and enabling these people to continue this behavior on other unsuspecting people. If nothing else, as a consequence for their behavior towards me. However, this OOC abuse is slightly harder to prove than direct aggression or pushy behavior, as it has been happening on multiple platforms (discord, in game) and it has been mostly manipulative behavior and lies to get my character into situations I wouldn’t invest in, should I know the full truth. Lying IC is definitely okay, but when it happens in OOC, so someone should get their way IC, it’s not cool. It is hard to just ignore these people and leave it, as soon as I do, someone else seems to target me for similar stuff or I’ll be left without RP, even if I’m relatively proactive approaching people. As if it’s only abusive people who want to interact, but everyone else seems apathic and unwilling to engage past greetings and goodbyes.

I’m feeling like I need to record every interaction both IC and OOC to hold these people accountable or prove it has been happening. I want to create some good contacts in-character, but also have my boundaries to be respected for what I’m cool with and what I’m not.

Are there ways I can possibly help myself (without needing to take a break, which doesn’t ultimately solve the issue and just prevents me from enjoying a hobby while the sub is still active) and possibly spread the word about these people? Few others have validated that this has been happening to them too, but they, too are afraid to speak up - which then enables this cycle to continue for longer than it should.

Is there something you could tell us, regarding what sort of stunts these people are pulling? More than what can potentially be put down for plausible deniability.
If someone’s to help, it’d be good to know what exactly they’re giving you a platform for to call out against.

I’m not saying put it out here, but maybe consider it if/when someone has a platform to allow you to voice your concerns. It’s only fair to them.
I mean, from what I’ve read, I can’t actually tell if it’s genuine foul play or just paranoia–not accusing you of anything of the sort, mind. It’s just hard to get a grasp on what exactly you’re referring to.

Yeah – it absolutely depends on what these people are (allegedly) doing. We shouldn’t want to develop a situation where any slights / misbehaviour become the subject of public conversation. Putting someone on trial instead of resolving things privately (if you can) can help to breed a pretty toxic atmosphere.

Of course, if it’s something particularly egregious - such as a guild master guilty of noncing on their members - then yes, absolutely it should be made public somewhere or other for the community.

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If you experience abusive behavior from other players, I suggest you report the chat to Blizzard as a first step, then add them to ignore so that it may block their whole Battle.net account as that is our only tool due to the naming and shaming rules. Though, I do recall a certain group of people who hold no problem calling out people on their little page if you wish to warn about someone.

Is this with a specific group of people? I’ve been in a situation like that, before, some years ago in a group - if so, all I can tell you is to bail from that group as fast as you can tbh! This specific line kind of stood out to me so I really wanted to say that quickly (as I wish I could tell myself years ago!)

I am talking about someone who was found out from doing it repetitively to multiple people, but since most of it happened through lying, flattery and manipulating OOC and IC, and through multiple channels, it was difficult to prove aside from words against words.

For me, personally, this was a few months long process of them romancing my character and inviting me into the guild the person was in. Lots of both IC and OOC favors being asked of me, from which I didn’t expect much in return but also communicated my wishes for what I want to do, and which I’ll only do under certain terms, which should be give-and-take. Rather than my character being put into a position of a servant and ending up receiving nothing in return.
Sometimes you can’t just be strictly like “okay now that we’ve RPd this and that for a week, can we do my thing now?” as we were also locked into commitments with the guild and schedules for campaigns. But nothing that should be impossible to arrange with a little of OOC discussing. Which the person showed capacity to do, but apparently only as long as it served their ends.

The thing is, the person was first very agreeable, positive, well-liked by peers and guild mates, as well as showed capacity to talk things out and be flexible. But most of the time it was still me having my character going out of their way for this other person’s char, with an expectation the person would later let’s say travel with mine, or help my character with a situation X and Y. Nothing cringe, but something you could do with a friend too, but it was meant to be special between our chars. There was a lot of OOC influencing, flattery and button pushing from their part, which created a roller-coaster of all being well and insecurity and worry.

The RP with this person did fall apart, mostly because I started asking more about “when we will RP things I wanted”? and started holding this person accountable for their words. That moment when I asked, the person started holding very petty things over my head, out of nowhere and acting like it’s either their way or highway. And I took the highway out of the guild, for my own good. Mostly because I felt I had been used and it would be difficult to RP around this person afterwards and could react badly if they kept pushing my buttons. I don’t have anything against the guild as they were most inclusive people! And some reached out to me and told this wasn’t the only time the person had done this.

It turned out the person had done this to another person whom she tried to pit my character against, and create even OOC jealousy and insecurity between us two. The other guy was always mature though, so we were able to keep it chill OOC, even though IC we had a few tense situations - which we both were cool with from OOC perspective.
At the time the manipulative person did break up with my character and dropped all plans with rather petty excuses, I learnt they had lured another person in and created an alt to romance theirs. But I learnt this from a third party rather than the person who had first romanced my character. Both of these guys were part of same guild we were in, but only after people reached out to me and started talking, the full picture became clear for us all. Each person had been given a different version of truth, which is why the manipulative person kept this hidden so well.

Why this was concerning and hurtful is that the person put our characters into situations we wouldn’t necessarily have invested in if we had known what we are getting into, or even if there hadn’t been much OOC flattery and promises. There were no real IC hints or OOC mentions that this could happen until the breaking point. And that after we were discarded, we all had been called “obsessive”/“possessive”/“jealous” and such for being confused or holding this person accountable for their words, and wanting clarity. And the new people were used as “meatshields” against those who were chasing the manipulative person for answers.
Someone had, according to what I have heard vaguely, bought this person expensive mounts from AH and then getting labeled “obsessed with her” → the labeled person had left the guild. Whether it was a false accusation or not, after this pattern was revealed, it sounded concerning.

The person was reported to their guild leadership, but ultimately was given very mild consequences and the leadership wants to sweep it under the rugs, as the manipulative character’s person is still useful for their agendas. Once I heard of this, I cut contact with the whole guild, even though objectively speaking, I still don’t have anything against them but I don’t want to deal with people who tolerate this kind of behavior and allow their members to break their “no OOC” rules repetitively and in a way which is harmful for unsuspecting person.

I should have been more careful admittably, and I even thought I had taken most precautions I could do without being too negative or overly critical.

In short, the whole situation left me feeling that my character was used to further their plot with zero regard for how it would affect my RP or my image as a roleplayer, as the others had gotten labeled as well. And that their narrative was also forced on my character more or less through how things went. I’m not willing to sweep it under a rug or let this person repeat this behavior as a consequence - even if it would be wise for me, silence of the lambs is why abusive people just get to continue their behavior.

It’s easy to say “move on and ignore this person and all the flying monkeys” but knowing how largely it can impact, if your main characters are in same community and the person is well-liked, it’s difficult to get your voice heard without being labeled as the one who is witch-hunting or causing conflict.


I hope the reply isn’t too confusing, as there are lots of details I’d like to include for a full picture, but also don’t want to write a TL;DR in order to communicate what happened and why I feel it was abusive and why these things shouldn’t be swept under a rug.

I can also see why naming people in such circumstances can be controversial as a platform to report manipulative and indirect abusive behavior can be misused. But what solutions can be created to maintain -relatively- safe RP community where people can connect without worrying about getting targeted by manipulators, who will slander and label you for things you only reacted humanely to?

all of this sounds like every second drama that happend in guilds when game of thrones was still hot

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Oh i remember it so well during Mist of Pandaria days wen rp community felt cramped.
Oh the drama and alleged and distubing stuff that occurred constantly on some House guilds - the drama was so constant and brought big attention trough social medias like wildfire such as argent dawn facebook groups - Even to this day wen ever someone says ‘’ house guild ‘’ i cringe very hard and just wants to stay away from it as far possible. lol

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Reminds me of not long ago a story of a dungeon & dragon DM ( Dungeon Master) that turned out too be a puppet master - Manipulated people especialy womens in a very predatory way for its twisted desires and fantasies, and were a absolute lair and mean invidual, it did go for few years until finally were exposed trough social media and was brought to such justice cause they felt there was no other way.

But yeah its kinda hard to tell wat to do in such situation.

Personaly if it would lead to harrashment/threats i would get in contact with blizzard support.

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First thing’s first, I’d let that Guild’s GM know.

If nothing happens, you need to let people you trust know.

Sometimes all we can do is just disentangle and get away. Had this happen to me several years ago, and I’ve had to very pointedly cut ties when I wasn’t listened to.

You will, eventually, find a place that you can grow to trust.

A Safe RP community is set by the standards and accountability of the GM/Leaders at the top. If they are unwilling to act, to help, to do ANYTHING, then the entire structure crumbles.

When in doubt, posting it in public channels (that are not the Forums due to Naming/Shaming Policy) with proof is the best recourse. Someone, somewhere, will listen even when others refuse to or worse.

If the guild refuses to act? They are just as accountable for enabling that environment when they now have no excuse not to.

If you need anything, please feel free to reach out.

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Alliance side? Those people are known for it. The description is very very very similar to what happens around for a while now.

You’re not alone and you’re not the first victim, there is 20 before you.

I am sorry this happened to you.

Screenshot any bit of evidence and report the player to Blizzard. You can also make their Guildleader aware if they have one or the group they RP with. Problems in these situations are often he said,she said. That’s why when i was still an officer in a RP guild i always advice to take screenshots of the situation.

Best of luck and hope things work out. :+1:

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Don’t bother sending screenshots to Blizzard. They don’t need them. They can literally see everything written in game, and screenshots can also be easily faked.

A standard report/ticket to them is all they need, along with things such as time and day and location this happened, makes it easier for them to check through the chat channels in question.

Be incredibly careful with this because if said person gets whiff of what you’re doing they can rightfully (by Blizzard’s definitions of right) report you for harassment against them, as you can be seen as trying to sabotage them and their friendship groups.
Its best to simply report straight to Blizzard and leave out third party groups, lest things become vigilantism.

Screenshots are more for yourself to have evidence and any guild leader/officer that asks for proof. The chance of Blizzard doing anything about it is pretty much non excisting. Guilds themselves however can still warn/remove the person.

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