Rework our class so it will suite new meta and not stay back at legion
while you gave classes like rogue heals more cc more utility
you just took everything from dk
lets say gargoyle its NEVER EVAR USED IN ANY CONTENT
can you do somth ? its like that FOR YEARS 4or5 i am not sure
but common really
presences was a fun mechanik
you just riped us and made things we had always into pvp and normal talants
DEstroying the class to its roots
so many dk mains just swapped cose the class got obliriated
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Frost DK stronk 
With borrowed power 4p piece set bonus, yes.
That alone is easily 30 - 40% dps boost for Frost DK’s. That’s how fundamentally bad they are.
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i switched to Frost from unholy recently
Frost is insanely strong … ive seen 17k- 19k oblit crits for example
if you havent played frost yet, give it a go
Frost is boring and i pvp alot so so unh is the go but the class feels so bad to play
Without abolimb we would not even existed
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i disagree ive been playing DK since wrath.
DK is fine with or without abom limb
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if you think dk is fine now without abolimb you 100% not doing pvp
and in pve you use alimb wrong
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we dont need abom limb, you think you do, but you dont
we are fine without it
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isn’t that the same reasoning you can give to Fury (Specially arms) warriors? Without conduits, 4 set they’re 
An arms warrior gains 8% dps purely from a windfury totem. 
EDIT: This can be said about ALOT of the current classes/specs since they’re made around group content and gear, AKA borrowed power 
Sorry, but right now frost DK is least represented melee in both 3v3 and 2v2, which obviously means that spec isn’t okay. Now why is that?
Frost DK was used mainly for this setup: Abomb limp to line up everyone + frost wyrm lego followed with blind sleet. I have no idea how in your mind this setup works without abomb limp, but it obviously doesn’t. Now main reason why Frost DK has even worse representation than it had before is probably a new trinket, which prevents this setup.
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No I’d agree abom limb often doubles as my keep you in attack range type ability, I hope it makes its way into the new talents.
By far the best dk move we have had in a while.
Army needs to die its crap now, fold it into apocalypse and give that spot to gargoyle.
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Frost have been fundamentally flawed since its Legion overhaul without borrowed powers.
Is clear now why you’re hardstuck.
How can you say “we don’t need abom limb” when it’s the sole thing that does damage during the go. It does roughly 50-60k damage single target.
Outside limb, dk does 1.5k scourge strikes with 1.5-2k wound burst and 1k pet melee. Wow such high damage
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The new Talent Tree means the Death of Baseline abilitys i am still hoping for a Gargoyle Baseline but my Dreams are for sure now death.
cant wait to get pruned again 
the good thing is other speccs get pruned as well.
and its needed. i dont want to be chased by an unslowable nekrobanner using fury warrior that can charge me every god damn global when enraged.
prune all this ridicilous borrowed power stuff and make the speccs enjoyable on a fundamental level again.
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Your wrong abilities like banner and spear bevame talants
We saw it in the druid talant tree
So get ready to be bannered again hhh
well lets see that was a early overview and even if it gets released like that u have to neglect other stuff for it. rdruid for example has to chose between tree of life and convoke. and who knows maybe wars will get spear instead of banner 
hopefully some stuff gets made baseline and others prunned.
like DRW being a key CD (and fun) element of blood for m+, would not mind CRW leggy effect was cooked into DRW itself, at least the CD reduction on bones spent
the new trees work much like artifact talents, multiple paths, question remains how many points will we get acess to and what to take or not
think they mention many artifact and azurite would be seen back, explooding ghouls on death would be a nice talent to pick, imagine if there is a build for more expendable ghouls , that would be fun, we just need to wait for how (un)creative the devs will be
ye i think the new talent trees could be great.
but ye we’ll have to see how it plays out
All the covenant abilitys become “choose one” talents though… Now the question is, can they make the poopy ones viable… #CriesInNecroWarrior