So ironic coming from you and does anyone still use “yikes” in 2023 and claim to be an adult?
That you are a bad player and belong in LFR as anything above that is to hard for you and Asmong.
LFR is waiting for you then.
The bare minimum that is expected from people in a raid is to know the fight and know their class. And if they dont I will repeat LFR is waiting for you. I will do you one better aswell you can farm gold and buy boosts if you are so unwilling to learn how to play the game and would rather have high ilvl loot be droped at your feet for breading in the direction of the boss. Also do you know why WotLK is not doing so well atm, and that has to be true because god king Asmongold said so, its because its easy AF. The only chalenge in WotLk right now is finding the time to actually play it.
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Actually true people are just raid logging atm and thats it even the PVP scene is dead.
I know its true because this happens every single time with classic. People go in, relive the nostalgia, realize that the game is too easy to be engaging and leave until something “new” comes out. And I am not saying that to bash on classic, I actually like classic and WotLk is still one of my favorite expansions, but we have to admit that we are no longer kids and gaming has evolved, things that were hard back then are a breeze now.
Also to OPs argument that people don’t need to play their spec correctly to clear the raid, a (very frustrating) friend of mine plays fire mage, he managed to clear the raid week 1 with sub 20k dps and not casting Fireball at all because “I hate casting fireball, I prefer Scorch”, also the build he was using was something he came up with and does not resemble anything close to a meta build. Also for people that are wandering Scorch deals ~1/4 of the dmg of Fireball. So even after moving the goal post, no the raid is not hard and no people do not even need to play their class correctly to clear it. Using Asmongold as metric is working out I see.
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You better watch out that Asmong does not hunt you down! 
Preach will protect me, he is a better player.
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Nobody cares if admin can or can’t one shot raids in a pug he’s a player he’s not the deciding factor in tuning. He isn’t even relevant in conversations blizz have about the game I bet. So what if he’s the biggest streamer his opinion isn’t fact
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Maybe because the baseline difficulty in BC and WotLK was what heroic is right now.
It was a good Case For The Prosecution, apart from featuring Asmongold. When you cite Asmongold around here, you’re handicapping yourself. Even if you thought you were attracting attention, I can’t believe that was a smart move.
It’s a complicated question, and I certainly don’t have answers. I don’t think anyone has.
Yeah I think too many people just take one look at your post and go: “DUHHH… SMELLY BALD MAN BAD! XDXDXDDD”
Instead of actually trying to think of a genuine reason to tell you why you’re wrong.
I agree with your take completely, as well as most of Asmongold’s. The dude has played wow since the day it came out, has grand marshal in almost every expansion, he’s completed literally every raid in the game in-season, so when I hear him tell me something about the game, I have the brain cells to actually take him seriously.
I think too many people just like to pretend that he’s bad at the game and incorrect because they’re jealous of his success. Both in game and in real life.
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NM is too easy this raid tier.
If anything Asmonbald’s streamraid was full off noobs expecting to get carried, just like he is/was.
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I think y’all are just getting old. Hard this, easier that. Try having fun for once.
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IBaseline was not heroic at all.
It was litterally what LFR is now.
Here’s the problems you had had vanilla-wotlk raiding:
- The raids where specifically tuned seperately for 10/25/40
- Corpse runs
- Limited attemps per week. This was boosted by the fact if you did a 10 man version you wernt allowed to do 25 on the same character. This was fixed in Cataclysm.
- Lockout system that covered the whole raids
- People started requiring gearscore for pugs just so they had an one shot chance in wotlk so raiding was even less accessable.
LFR prevented all this while the difficulty is still like the standard raids.
You do have mechanics and the mechanic numbers are quire frankly similair to pre cata raids. Its not a giant dungean. If you threat it as one, then you will wipe. Its intented for people with less then 370 ilvl for Vault. Most people are probally higher cause its easy to get higher.
Now that you do not think so is a you thing but I do like to believe LFR is old normall difficulty raids.
Sure is. This is his opinion and as such i can say that it is wrong because i dont agree with it… whatever it is…
Being jelous of someone else ? I outgrown this long ago.
I know people like to say things about the people of this forum but fact is most of us are here from vanilla or tbc.
I did EVERY instance this game had to offer BEFORE CATACLYSM. I used the staff from original kelthuzad. I raid lead and cleard all raids in tbc and wotlk.
I played much slower later expansions. Last time i raid lead heroic was in legion.
I even had the original insane of the membrace.
We did mog competitìons with our friends in mop before his streams.
Trust me when i say the people here know wow.
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Dislike him all you want but don’t say he doesn’t understand raids or raiding. He just doesn’t care about raiding anymore.
I don’t dislike him but he doesn’t understand raids or raiding.
He explicitly said he never did care about raiding.
Ah you’re right. He only did it for gear, I give you that. It’s a stretch saying he doesn’t understand it as he’s gotten multiple cutting edges and top rank logs.
If you never liked it in the first place and only did for ulterior motives, then yes you never understood why people actually like this type of content. And if you never did like it in the first place, took a very long break from it, then came back only to realize you aren’t as good as you used to be and start blaming it on raid difficulty, then again yes he doesn’t understand raiding.
And on a side he was blaming raid difficulty in SotFO for his group sucking at a very basic level, no sign ups on alliance side (before cross-faction) and “wasting time” before boss pulls. I mentioned this treath to friend who watches him and he did link me a video of him where he just goes of out of nowhere about raiding again, claiming that there is too much time before pulls in WoW raids… Ok fine sure, what did he give as proof, his own 6h video where he continuously wiped on bosses, no SS on healers for fast pulling, was constantly stoping the pull to explain tactics. Like yeah you will waste time before pulling a boss in a raid, and explaining tactics is a valid reason to do but don’t freaking complain about it if you are the one causing the delay.
Also his No1 reason for why SotFO was too hard was “I didn’t check the adventure guide, I don’t use DBM or other addons, I didn’t watch a guide and we didn’t kill the bosses in our first try” “I was able to do that before”. If your reason for “Raiding is bad” is that the bosses don’t roll over and die on day one with 0 prep then you do not understand raiding. I do not care about his CE achievements or his parces in previous expansions, if this is his take now his previous achievements mean absolutely nothing because he is lacking a fundamental mindset required for this type of content. I despise PvP, I have done it on several occasions due to one reason or another, however I am not here complaining about how PvP needs to be changed to suit my needs and ruin it for everybody else who actually is a fan of that content type. Asmongold is a PvP-er first and foremost, that is the content he likes doing the most and I would assume it’s the content he excels at, if he dislikes Raiding (idk his takes on M+) then he should stick to PvP-ing and stop making uneducated guesses on why “Raiding is dying”. It’s not, yes it was really bad in Sl, but that was because A) the expansion was a disaster of course organized play would take a hit when guilds would struggle with rosters and B) Alliance has been a downward trajectory for many expansions now, of course you will be struggling with getting groups on Alliance side, he even proved that in the same stream by logging on his Horde character and the sign ups were just raining from the sky, however he failed to mention that sign ups are only an Alliance side issue in his “Raiding is dying” video.
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He did none of the work to get to those fights at all . He didnt spend weeks progressing on wipe nights he just got invited for easy CE kills.
Ironic since he whined he couldnt clear normal in 1 sitting day 1.