Hi all, i’m currently struggling with assa rogue, I don’t know what the rotation is with the 4 set, can anyone shed some light on the opener against a class that doesn’t cast spells such as a warrior and the opener vs a priest for instance?
Thanks in advance
press sepsis vendetta and boom you are 2.1 rating
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It depends on which caster class you play against and what trinket/escape spell it has, but in general is would be like:
- Warrior or any: Mark-Kidney-Shiv-Vendetta+Seps-Vanish (if you have crit legendary or master assasin talent and target has no trinket)-Ambush or Mutilate-Envenom. It’a short one. If you asking for not 1st opener but just rotation for any kidney go on your target, you can maintain garrote, rapture and snd on you before you go, also you can build 5cp as well, then you: Kidney-Shiv-etc. and you would have mark to land 1 more envenom.
- Against caster opener could be like: gattore-mutilate-rapture-mark-kidney etc like in ex. 1
!!IMO, not teaching!!
Don’t pop offensive CDs without your bleeds up
123 works fine 
Im sorry? He asked for “Opener”, not about rotation. You can 100-0 anyone with no rapture and garrote up, if enemy is not trinketing kidney or has no trinket
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I mean everyone has a trinket or stun wall in opener. Your opener just looks bad and I havent even touched assa. Maybe when no one had seen 4set sepsis it worked but doubtful its worth it now. What cr games are you opening with no bleeds?
Or to put it a different way if I counter your go, youre doing no damage as opposed to having both dots running.
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It depends and I dont have 4set yet, but the thing is that sepsis + kidney bleed + deadly poison tick very hard so if you are in a situation when you have to pomp as fast as you can, lets say me+hpriest against rogue + druid and i decided to blind rogue cuz they open on my healer with shadowblades resonator kyrian + symbols + mally from druud and rogue trinketing cuz its the most damage of their opener in closest 2-3min. So then I mark+kidney+bomb rogue, shiv, vendetta, vanish, ambush, envenom and having 4set even with my poor gear I will 100-0 him, it’s a 100%.
And as you noticed, I explained atleast 3 ways to open. 1st one is when you need fast damage and have no time to apply bleeds. Other 2 is about what you said like never (and thats wrong) pop cds without bleeds up.
You can open with no bleeds on both 1200 and 2200cr, because it depends and again, it’s just a one of many ways to open. Bleed opener is also good and sustainly better but sometimes you just have to know that you can 100-0 in 3-4 seconds of kidney which TS could not know yea? Because he said that he has some troubles on how to do openers and that’s why I also said about no-bleed opener, it is not necessary to always do your 1st go like that, same as it’s not necessary to always have bleeds before you go 
If people play Sub RDruid they are already trolling, you just win the game by being here.
If the Rogue trinkets Blind first global while you aren’t even out he’s trolling.
No, because Sepsis doesn’t deal 80k damage on its own in 3 seconds, set or not, and since you have no bleeds you lack other damage sources and won’t be able to keep the damage going for more than a few globals anyways because no energy regeneration (due to no bleeds).
EVEN when you want to open with CDs you use Garrote as your 2nd GCD and Rupture at least with a couple CPs because it is so much more damage.
Something such as MfD Kidney, Garrote, Shiv, Vendetta + Sepsis, Rupture, and only then do you start spamming Mutilate into Envenom, is so much better than what you offered. Keep in mind that using Garrote there allows it to do 40% more damage, further amplified by Shiv for another 40%, and due to the set making DoTs tick faster it is just better to have both bleeds with their damage and energy regen than landing one sad Envenom.
Not really no.
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I was like: “what?!!!”
Then I see: below 1,4k rating, below 50% win rate assa rogue
Makes sense you make this kind of statement.
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Ok maybe you want me to oneshot you by this opener so we could see it in the action?
Dude I can say many troll things we do post on forum, it was just an example of how and when this thing could work. Do I have to find a perfect scenario with no troll comp and no troll plays to proof a simple thing? 
I would better just say ok, you are right, do never use cds with no bleeds up, its fine to play like that, I agree with you. But my words was just about to players be flexible
Are you alright?) This rogue in only 4 days of lvl 60 hit, no gear, no set, I got my 1.4 in 1st session with random players and there was no healers at all, no geared guys, no high exp players. My hunter was dying against hpriest 1v1 in 1st 30 seconds of arena. My another hunter didnt use chacram when he was “popping” warrior. My rogue was never trying to los/double CC or kite warlock’s DS/DP/Dark Glair, my mages were not bad but still had 0 idea how to play RM, especially with assa rogue. So what did you expect me to hit, 2k? Should I 1v2 every game on 1.5-1.6k mmr being 236ilvl when I was playing it? Against 75-85k guys? Chill
I don’t need to see. Obviously one of us has had more success than the other so maybe one of us is better aware of the damage range of the spec abilities.
Because many people play Wildfire now (well, more than before at least) since the bomb DoT doesn’t take pandemic. With Wildfire you can throw a new bomb with the previous one still running in case you get procs.
This whole attitude, especially the last part, is very symptomatic of the “I am actually insane despite my mediocre results but I’ll blame it all on my teammates and ignore the issues on my end”.
Not good, not good.
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So what? I could post with my shaman with zero gear which I am not even playing anymore and I got 1,4k in 20 something games with 60%+ win rate. It’s just 1.4…
I’d guess it’s more your rogue “experience”.
Like most of us? Welcome to LFG.
I can only imagine what stories they would tell about you. I think I got one example:
“My rogue does not even open with bleeds”
Na, but at least not being below 1,4k after 100+ games with a <50% win rate. I guess that’s an actual minimum.
Nice story bro
I think he is talking about necro MM hunter chakram. At least I hope so, otherwise it looks even worse for him…
As a marksman?
Ofc I didnt because we played against sub+hpriest and the rogue was sitting stealth as well)
Obviously he was thinking of SV hunter since Kyrian is still better for MM hunter.
Necro MM only works in shuffle or at very low rating vs bots.
You won’t believe it but my teammates are actually usually horrible as well. I don’t even doubt they think they actually play well. The only issue is that there is literally no way to measure their result being positive.
Do I assume right that your 2,1k last season was achieved during inflation?
EDIT: Nvm, I just checked. It was.
Uh uh. So you aware Death Chakram (and not Chakram, as Chakram is a SV ability, next time pay attention) isn’t available to all Hunters by default ?
I didn’t say it wasn’t and I don’t feel myself being ready to hit 2.1 atm by any class, but is that even matter?
I use omnicd to track my mates so he was necro and had it. What the problem, guys, are you that mad of me saying “Rogue can do 100-0 with no bleeds up on target with no trinket” or what?