But you need to check when I started pvp at all last season))) It was the rest of s2 directly) I was not playing the whole season at all) I might lie to myself but probably it took 2 or 3 weeks on mage and around 2 weeks on dh. Might me wrong
76k HP RDruid human form with 15% versa in a 1v1 after his DPS is dead, using Vanish + Resonator on top of things, and then you try to tell someone who asks that it is the correct way to OPEN in a game because “Sepsis alone deals 80k in 3s” when you did 76k WITH RESONATOR VANISH in 6s on a 15% versa target in a 1v1 … ?
Is it an elaborate troll I fell into ?
Sigh.
Same as every other rogue spec
Something something something kindeshott
Waddle around pillar while target is crippled
Something something something kindeshott
Waddle around pillar while target is crippled
Something something something kindeshott
Waddle around pillar while target is crippled
If you aren’t finding success while your target is out of the game 50% of the match then just roll a dh.
Kindeshott, hm? Seems like there is always something new I can learn.
Please [quote] the message when I told it deals 80k “IN 3S”. Sepsis probably do 50-60k and with crit leggo or master assassin you probably can 100-0 by sepsis, deadly poison, kidney bleed and critical ambush + envenom if vanish used. No words about 3s from me. And again can you stop forcing this sht about me telling it’s the only way to open? Could you finaly read all the message and notice that I actually told IT IS ONE OF THE OPENERS named “short one”??? After that I said that you can maintain garrote, rapture on the target and snd on yourself and build 5cp if it possible and then kidney shiv etc. What’s the problem again? Are you guys on drugs?
If you mention any opener with no bleeds in any other situation that 1v1’ing an afk healer with no versa after the rest of the enemy team is already dead, you are providing wrong information that is not helping people willing to learn.
Opening like this is bad in any real situation. Plain bad. You’d have better results if it worked so well. Period.
Yes, right here, let me show you :
Rogue GCD is locked to 1s. If you Kidney then you have a 1s GCD so only 5s remain on Kidney when you can press your next spell. Then you press Bomb, so 4s remain when you can press your next spell, then you press Shiv, so 3s remain when you can press your next spell and that next spell is SEPSIS.
Do you understand?
I think you mean 3 seconds by “3s” while he thinks of the 3vs3 bracket.
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So was is about 3s? 
xDD Mercy
Let me ask this guy he don’t believe that sepsis can 100-0 272 geader guy with no trinket or what he even mean with “you know you have gcd you know you use this and this and it’s 2s and then this it’s a 3s and you know”… I can capture any 272 geared guy being dead by sepsis, do you need it to be aprooved or idk what you wanted to say. Did I say you can kill anyone who has trinket + cds up? No. Did I say you can do so with a guy who’s out of trinket? Yes. I will even bomb for you so every “GCD” will be observed
3 seconds …
Try to capture better than a 15% versa guy killed by RESONATOR plus your burst in 6 seconds when you claim you can 100% kill in 3 seconds when people trinket a blind from stealth.
What so if not from stealth? You blind from stealth, you garrote cheapshot reso the target playing double dps with sp for ex. If he’s not trinketing it could be fear off, so? Even if he trinket vanish you still have your own trinket to escape 1st stun on you and even through evasion you will step-kidney-bomb (if needed)
Frankly I don’t wish to keep going deeper and deeper in the “yes but what if they play ARCANE FURY and have 10% versa and have unbinded their DCDs and and and”
Opening without applying bleeds in a real game is always bad. Always, always always.
Please don’t advise someone looking for guidance to do that.
I appreciate you guys commenting, but for clarifications sake, can we discuss the actual rotations? I’m interested to know what the opening rotation looks like, I saw that Shadenox had actually included an example rotation, would you mind clarifying what an example opener against a melee, an opener vs a priest and also any insight (if possible) into why vendetta may be cast late? as opposed to popping it after Mark Kidney for example?
thanks in advance for all the comments, I understand opinions are going to have disagreeable factors but if we could refrain from arguing and come to an overall conclusion that would also be very much appreciated.
Shadenox might sound arrogant sometimes and loves to discuss a lot but he got good educational videos on his yt channel vs several (usually meta) comps. There is also no non-sense bla in his videos, just short and useful information. Can only advise you to watch some.
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Checked him out before, I’ll try giving his videos another crack and study up on the rotations he provides in his guide video recently released, things get confusing because people don’t tend to mention if the rotations are done with 4 set equipped vs 2 set equipped.
thanks for the swift reply.
You know, maybe a was a bit excited yesterday. You’re right with bleeds and snd is very good to have as well when it possible. And ofc when I play with healer and the only dps source is probably me (in 2s) I will apply everything before we go, it’s just the book rotation and it’s how the thing works. I also may rapture hunter pet/off target as well, I agree with you in that case. I mean I told that as well, that’s what I’ve been trying to say in discussion. The only thing I was disagree with is you never able to kill with no bleeds up if like you have vanish, vendetta and sepsis ready to go and for some reason your enemy is out of trinket and cds which are usable in CC. Cheers 
I hope you’re not so much against me after what have been sayed. Im not that stupid to be an adept of only one way to play)
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It takes a man to come back on his words and admit he was wrong. Cheers
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Kekw I just realized that I’ve been watching many of your YT content) it’s cool
I shall strive to make it all the time then !
Opener vs anything that can use a spell that stops your opener while silenced (so any melee usually, also mistweaver as they can incap/disarm/Sweep, or Holy Priests because they can fly while silenced, yes yes) you start with MfD Kidney then Garrote then Shiv. From there if you want to burst use vendetta, your covenant spell, rupture, and spam Mutilate and Envenom. If you do not want to burst then use one Mutilate after Shiv, Rupture, then spam Mutilate into Envenoms.
Against anything that does nothing while silenced (Mages, non Holy Priests, Holy Pala etc) then Garrote first, Mutilate Rupture then MfD Kidney and follow the above excluding the bleeds since they are already up. Also beware pandarens that can incap you on the silence.
Purely to surprise or force an over reaction. Say you have a great opener and you’ll force a trinket without CDs most likely, both the enemy healer and the DPS are kind of waiting to see who does what and you suddenly drop the Vendetta late with some damage, if they wait a bit too long they can die, or they just both use trinket as a reaction to the unexpected Vendetta, and so on.
You don’t gain any damage by pressing late, it’s just to make people panic which in turn causes mistakes.
To be honest the rotation does not change. You just reapply bleeds a bit sooner but that is it. And even if it did change, as far as I am concerned I’m always assuming that the current patch feature is available in any explanation I provide.
That is a very good thing to do that, for some reason, I see a lot of Rogues forget about. But it is rather important indeed !
Well, with decent gear and no resonator people still should live but I guess sometimes wonders can happen. But in any case it shouldn’t happen that you have everything available and everyone in the enemy team has nothing!
No. I just strongly (maybe too much so) argue against what I know isn’t a good thing to do, but nothing personal ! It is more about the idea than the person really.
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Very much appreciated from everyone in the post, i’m doing better with my team mate already, now time to get some weak auras for buffs / debuffs 