Autism Awareness Month: anyone else having difficulties with raids?

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As I said before, we live in a time where everything gets blown up, and people are so high and mighty. If we’ve really progressed to a species that are intelligent, and progressing, its about damn time that people stop being so self conceious, and start ignoring bad people.

If one is truly at peace with who they are, they can also ignore it. I am one person, a person, an insignificant person, I take issue with people who play it high and mighty and tell me its nothing, its a gift and bla bla. But what they’re actually doing is being pissed off, which means they are insecure, or don’t really accept who they are.

Everyone should accept who they are, and truly be gracious for the life that they have, that is what life is about. Being bothered by one person who plays no part in your life is worrying too much, and is unnacceptable, you have better things to care about.

So just as an off-topic:
If you struggle with autism or any other dissability, face reality, accept it and live a happy life, don’t care for others oppinions, half the time they suck.

Some people are just too obstreperous, in how they feel about themselves, and how to tackle life. There is one way, accept life as it is. Worry about those close to you, those you want to make impacts on your life.

And ignore everyone else who does not matter to you. Unless you actually love helping people, but then you’d be volunteering, or working with adults or kids who are troubled. Not the same as an online life, ignore idiots like me.

I take issue in people allowing themselves to be dictated by others, That is my whole ideal here. While I might be insulting people using autism, I am a bad person, Indeed I am. But I pity, and hate-love and want to strengthen people, if someone gets offended, it means they’re insecure, or embarrassed or other negative things, life is not long enough to worry about what others say about you, or what they do using a dissability you have, or anything else.

Live life.

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Ignored. Comments duly noted and not impressed.Oh and Betol what Moothilda has said is 110% what I wanted to say to you but seeing as I am able to manage and control my anger I felt a shrift sharp response was better. I do not like you at all for your attitude and I can only assume you liked my comment because you think you scored a point on a AS sufferer trust me you ain’t suggest you remove it because like’s from people like you on a thread on a topic that is dealing with a life long condition where you have sought to attack and goad people with do NOT sit well with me either. Again thanks for showing your true colours.

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Yes, people think they can say what they want without it having consequenses, that’s why we have a lot of SJW :slight_smile:

As far as I know, being self conceius is an important part of the intelligent species we are :wink:

Tell me how, when you have found the solution - sell it and make a lot of money :+1:

That’s really not how it works, but I know if you tell yourself something enough, you’ll believe it :wink:

:roll_eyes:

Correct - but not relevant to this topic

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Please do read up on stuff like this and return

No you are not a bad person. You, in my opinion is a person who are unaware of how words can affect - if you have read up on psychology you would know that a sentence every psychologist hate is:

“sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never harm me”

Untrue, the words does the most harm!

In my opinion, you are not a bad person.
In my opinion, you are uneducated - you have every possible way to express how much you dislike a situation and you choose the most unserious and distasteful way of doing it, and then you want to justefy yourself by saying everyone is too sensitive :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Besides, this topic was not about people being too sensitive, but about how a personal matter clashes with some game mechanics like light, colours and sounds, and it makes the interaction with other people in a dungeon as an exampel hard

Have you ever come across a baby that experinced sensory overload? :slight_smile:
It’s a hell for everyone I can tell, now try to imagine being an adult - you are not alowed to scream for hours and go nuts because of this.

OP simply asked: Am I the only one? How I wish I could skip a part that gives me reason to scream.

Can I relate, no I don’t suffer from sensory overload - Can I understand as a person: Yes, we all have something.

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A lot of this misunderstanding seems to stem from autism including communication issues.It’s a very good example :joy:

Also using autism as an insult is insulting because you are implying that having it is something to be ashamed of/insulted by. If you can wrap your head round that. Anyone claiming otherwise is just looking for an excuse to be a jerk and get away with it.

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Thanks for saying what I wanted to say to this particular individual but if I had it would have likely resulted me having my account put on hold or worse still if I had proves I have the sense of self control not to rise to idiots who assume that it is acceptable to use someone else’s condition as an insult.

Well said.

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Well, it seems you misundertood the message, it was as a reply to someone who replied to my earlier message. And not a message to OP.

Words shouldn’t hurt others, and people are too damn sensitive. Phsychologists are BS. They are the ones that tell you over and over to change, and then you do. They get paid to do a job anyone could handle.

Not caring is a state of mind. That many have troubles with, and its unnacceptable that they should feel hurt by others words, its not worth their time and effort.

And before you start blabbering about it not being true that phsycologists do a job anyone can do. Not that I can prove anything, but I have cured people of fears of going outside, or being in public spaces, changing them from introvert, to extrovert people, it took caring, it never took words. It took behaviour, and your nature.

And while I do understand your points, its simply too black and white. Wether it be an insult, or whatever. People should not be affected by words, or be affected by bad people, especially not online, or some people they will never ever cross paths with.

I find it pitiful and I would love to help them, but they are probably a few hundred kilometers away, in other countries. Its just facts, you can’t argue over it. Fact of the matter is 90% of all people don’t wanna listen to others BS, or go that extra mile to help them better themselves, or get over fear, etc. And while autism is permanent? The condition is just as normal as not having autism, we’re all different.

So what people need to learn is to ignore the baddies, and open up to good people, its that simple. And our consciousness shouldn’t be focused on ourselves, that’s not an important part of it. People that get overly attached to problems or words, need to work on their self image. Its just facts.

Let me rephrase ^ The couciouness should only focus on basics, and not get overly attached to acceptance. or to overly attached to one self. Everyone should build an image of themselves they like enough to not get hurt, or fear others oppinions, or words.

I’m prepping to study as a social educator, working with people with autism, dissabilities etc, adults that are troubled enough to not live by themselves, etc. and I will go thousands of extra miles for them. And teach them nothing is wrong, and they are able to live, and happily without letting others hurt, or make them feel embarrased or sad.

Look at it this way, being hurt with words is like being a little girl thinking about her self image. Same thing, sadly a lot of people in todays world never build up the confidence, or self worth. And another example is overly smug people, we want that state, but less smuggy. Nothing can hurt me, and I only care for the people close to me and their oppinions. That is what we want. Nothing else matters. Therefore, nobody should be hurt by words.

And as I mentioned earlier, I do know people with autism that throw that word around, and then we can say, because they have autism its okay. But is it? debateable - Although, they have never seen issues with me calling others out using autistic as an insult.

Because facts is as OP stated, it drains him, so logically insulting a person using autism is a legit fact. If you have a person failing tons of times, that person might have autism, because he’s worn out, or in a bad state with an overload. Its not just an insult with nothing in it. The whole autism diagnose is backing me up that it could be a cause to his slacking, or failing.

So as Mion stated below, its not directed at people with autism, its because its frustration, anger, and as OP stated autism can lead to poor performance, the symptoms that autism give are relateable in-game. Like when using the word retard as mion stated.

Its the before and after words used in the sentence “Autistic (???)” that might be wrong, but hell no. Aint silenced yet.

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Autism is usually used to insult people who aren’t autistic as a means of putting across that they present tendencies that those who are autistic may have, despite not actually being autistic themselves.

Much of the time it is used in this derogatory sense, it’s not inherently designed to be an attack on ‘autistic’ people or those on the spectrum. It’s quite like how the term ‘retard’ is used to refer to people who aren’t actually retarded, etc, sometimes in anger.

I’ve lived around and spent much time with people who lack theory of mind, or are somewhere on the spectrum, one of the more extreme examples of which have cost me severe bruising because of what I considered to be a small mishap. (Forgot to wake them up at a specified time)

I’m now surprisingly aware of those who are on the spectrum and I’ve definitely had arguments with those in-game who definitely lack theory of mind, and while I’m not aggressive or offensive towards them, I will more often than not temporarily ignore them in the event of an argument because they are mentally, literally incapable of seeing another person’s point of view, so it’s not fair on them or me.

I hate stepping on egg shells. It fills me with dread and anxiety. At the end of the day, people can use whatever words they want. Context is important and people who are too easily offended or take offence at things that aren’t personally aimed at them are just moronic, imo.

At least on the internet, you can’t have literal faeces thrown at you or get punched because of a tongue slip.

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You what, mate…?

Excuse me, but I feel I have to comment here, what I see in you is someone, who never in their life experienced a real problem. I mean, a medical/psychological problem. You might say you did? But I’d bet you’d lie. What you say sound like an unexperienced immature personality who feels free to philosophise and make up theories, while not knowing how really an affected person might feel.

Because all you say, especially the pompous “Not caring is a state of mind”, shows that you are unable to walk in the shoes of people who suffer.
And what is this about?

Would be interesting if you can help me with a problem situation, since you seem to be a consultant of sorts. Example: I go to a bg as healer. I do my best, making a lot of effort, but maybe I am still not that good as other classes/players. Fine. There are times when in chat I get things like: “u suck” “retard”, “leave this game and never come back”, “(insert other abuse)”.

I would like you to advice me, and all other people in this thread, how to “detach” from words, when they are directed especially at them at a particular moment. I’d also like YOU to imagine such words are directed at you. Because it feels you lack empathy somehow.

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Of course it is, I don’t have all evening to write about this subject - and it is to vast a subject to have a proper discussion on a forum like this.

True, but tell me: Who in their right mind are able to do that?

Yes, it is unfortunately permanent.
And it ranges from mildly form where no one notices but the person itself to Rain Man types.

The mildly one has to do a lot of the work themselves, the ones who it in the other end, need someone to help them on “normal” problems.

No no, and it is simply not as simple and innocent as you want it to be :confused:
I get that you like Mions post, and of course I agree with this statement here :point_down:

But, we should change the words used to offend.
With the wide palette of words we have, we choose this word… Why?

Before it was people who isn’t a milky-white-pale european like me that was used as a swearword towards people - it’s changed.
People with dyslexia have been in the insulting business too, but that changed because people learned what dyslexia is.

Many words that has been used or described an emotional distress have been removed simply because people learned more about the word used.

But not every society can accept that.
And what you grow up in affect how you walk around and present yourself.

The thing is, the internet is a mish-mash of every culture and every society and idea that is.
This is also the reason why we are having debates like this - we are ajusting to each others ideas, and as in every relationship you give and take so everyone can be in the same space without having troubles.

Edit: Typos

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I stutter so voice chat for me is hell. I did not go to last raid because don’t want to go on voice with ppl ( Because Hihg Tinker ) Most ppl don’t get it and don’t understand it. Fighting with this since I was 5 years old.

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This thread was a lovely, positive place for people with autism to share their difficulties and offer suggestions to each other, and make each other not feel alone, until the bumbling “stop being so sensitive” jerks came along. Kindly buzz off.

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Seconded. Seriously, Betol, you’re just trolling. Take yourself elsewhere. Thanks.

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You both beat me too it! Everyone else had managed to engage in this discussion respectfully, even when disagreeing. There’s always one who has to spoil it.

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People are under no personal or collective obligation to change their choice of words. Society and various cultures as a whole change collectively over time as information becomes more and more readily available. Insults or derogatory comments are more akin to cultural fads in this regard.

You and I who know about autism are more aware than others. I encounter people IRL on a daily basis who misunderstand or don’t fully comprehend autism/aspergers/etc or refuse to take it seriously as they’ve not been exposed to it or do not have to live with it, or with someone who is on the spectrum.

Autism or is a very convenient insult to use online, as misunderstandings or misconceptions via text are very easy for people to make and so commonplace, that they come off as being similar to the types of frequent misunderstandings that someone actually on the spectrum may or may not experience in their day to day lives.

It’s also important to understand that what may or might apply to one word, might not apply to another. It may stick for longer, it may vanish and it might not.

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How so? we have a filter for bad words on this forum… If you insist to write negro, you will suffer a ban… you have to change.

If multiple people report you for being to rude, you will suffer a silence.

Someone have to start with the change, and you know that just as well as I do.

Will you keep blaming millenals for their rudeness or will you raise your kids to awareness?

You can’t keep hiding under peoples own choice or people have to stop being to soft - find an insult that suits instead of hanging on to words or ways that doesn’t do anything good in particular.

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It is nice too se you have interest on the subject and are aiming to work on the field. I would suggest, in the very most kind purpose, to save this whole post of yours and look it again when you have started your studies (perhaps after one year or two). I promise you will find it interesting and get a lot to think about then. I wish all the best for your studies! :smiley:

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We have a filter for words that can be deemed as offensive, however it’s perfectly easy to offend someone without needing to use a specific word or term. On that note, Blizzard only seems to actively take action against people who have been flagged. As a rule of thumb, I generally don’t flag posts unless they’re related to doxxing or threaten someone in-real life.

I will write what I want as I am often wont to do and if I get silenced or banned for it again, then that’s something I’m quite used to by now. I don’t think changing oneself or one’s view points comes about from censorship. What is important, I find, is declaring clear intent when someone proffers confusion at what you’ve said.

Context is ultimately far more important and there isn’t a single word out there that’s inherently bad or negative.

I generally think the world is a far more interesting place when you get a mixed variety of people. The more we censor and the more we tell people they can’t be offensive or get offended, the less human and less interesting we aspire to be as a result.

At the end of the day, when people throw around terms like ‘autist’ or ‘retard’, they’re not actively thinking about or referring to people who are actually retarded or autistic. A component of acceptance is tolerance and being able to tolerate people’s use of words is an important step in being accepted by them as a result.

Use of a word need not necessarily change but what can change is how people respond and react to it. I’ve noticed in recent times that the use of the word negro is far less controversial than it used to be.

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Guess I’m lucky, my aspergers has never really given me issues playing games, even multiplayer/co-op ones. Sensory overload doesn’t affect me when it’s on screen.

Thankfully I don’t generally crave real social contact though, because just pretending to function almost normal for the 8h a day I have to is stressful enough.

Crowded social situations and work meetings definately fatgue me thanks to the “sensory overload”.

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I agree to your post

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Completely agree. Not on the spectrum myself, and I actually got a few raiders who have very mild autism, but I get it. Some people just don’t want to raid, but Blizzard keeps insisting that we have to raid, or can’t for whatever reason, yet Blizzard will pull out literally every single stop they can to make us raid.

And that effectively means you can’t enjoy it, because yours is a situation even LFR can’t save. On the one hand LFR is so easy you can just AFK it and win anyway, but why would you want to, right? You don’t get the story that way, so what’s the point?

I hope Blizzard tones down this raid or die mentality some time soon. It’s not healthy for the game.

In the meantime, my advice to you OP, is to just find another game. Blizzard obviously doesn’t care about people who don’t like raiding anymore. :frowning: I wish they did. I want you enjoy your time in Azeroth, but yeah…

I hope Blizzard will fix it. Keep up with the community sites and let’s hope they wake up. :slight_smile:

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