I think Back from Beyond is fine. It’s your own fault if you only start on it now, you had an entire expansion time to contribute to it, and if you cared about it why start so late?
As soon as Veilstrider arrived in the news on wowhead me and 2 other guildies went straight for it and completed it all 3 of us roughly a month later.
Necrolord are the hardest to complete because of RNG but that doesn’t mean it should be changed since it was an expansion specific meta achievement, just like BFA had them and didn’t make essences rank 4 easier to obtain either.
Some people couldn’t complete BFA meta achievement either when they started too late on it because of the amount of time that had to be invested.
Try to get the meta achievement earlier next expansion if you care about it.
Having timed content, especially achievements in the game is healthy IMO, and having one achievement that is specific to doing “all” in an expansion is something that should stay limited to those who completed it in said expansion, same like ahead of the curve, or cutting edge.
I can’t get cutting edge but you won’t hear me complain about how I won’t be able to get it before dragonflight comes around, it’s part of the game and the appeal of that achievement and that means that sometimes you’ll lose out on things if you aren’t up to date immediatly and that’s just the way the cookie crumbles, and how I personally like it.
Yep it does need to stay. It’s a big meta, it takes months to grind out, so why not keep it? We still have the questing metas for Firelands, Isle of Thunder, Nazjatar, Mechagon, Tanaan, Argus. Why does this go but not them? Just ridiculous. There’re still Feats we can obtain, so they should let us have this.
It’s not that big actually, took me about a month to complete after it was announced. You could still finish it.
Obviously if you’ve played at all you should have much of the achievement already finished. If you however start fresh with 0 progress then you are indeed too late with the achievement and that’s fine. Dragonflight will have a meta achievement too and it’s gonna be the same story, if you don’t do content you won’t get it, and if you wait till literally a month away from pre-patch to do it then yes, you are too late
Correct me if Im wrong but basically your post is all about proving that I and everyone else should have just started the meta achievement earlier? I already discussed this earlier with someone else and as said then the argument is completely valid, not denying the fact that I should have. Then why didn’t I? Well its most simply because I didn’t know it was going away. Whose fault was that then? My own of course… Even if Im pretty sure that it wasn’t official just probable until the 16.9.2022 bluepost confirmed it.
Anyway my initial arguments still stand:
Currently the game is suffering the usual end of expansion content drought. What a better time to complete stuff you haven’t yet completed and more than that give players something to do? That in mind if you give up before even starting as you find out that the huge amount of work the achievement requires goes to “waste” if you get bad RNG in the end and can’t even complete it. Id say that would be daunting for many. Don’t worry about me Im already blasting no matter what. If I lose (due to RNG) I lose
It wont take anything away from those who already completed the achievement if they for example only hasten the quest resets or similar. The amount of work stays the same, it would only be faster from calendar perspective. The best guess I have why ppl are really upset when even suggesting something like this is because they want to be exclusive. And I totally get it, hell that is the only reason plus that there is nothing else to do why Im trying to even complete it. Might be that others just don’t want to admit it or then they are just better human beings and the take they give is objective
I really don’t get it why ppl keep comparing this to cutting edge. Cutting edge is all about personal and team skill (and gear in some degree), literally nothing else. so If you have forementioned and 24/7 time in your hands you can complete it today. My point is that there for example is not any rule that prevents you from progressing more than one boss per week which would then be comparable to this.
Lastly as I told before, my intention is not to take anything away from others. Peace and love <3
I wonder why not? Why are people so upset at the idea of an expansion specific meta achievement to be exclusive to it’s expansion?
It’s a “challenge” during it’s expansion, it becomes extremely trivial outside of it’s expansion, why should a challenge become trivial for the sake of people not starting it earlier?
Pvp has elite sets/mounts, M+ has 0.1% titles and KSM mounts, Raid has Ahead of the Curve and Cutting edge, questing and completionism should also get it’s limited time challenge.
To me wanting to remove Meta achievements like Bfa’s “Azeroth Champion” titles and now Shadowlands “Veilstrider” limited time will just kill the hype to get the titles in the first place and it’ll become just another title everyone and their mom will eventually have.
If everyone ran around with Scarab lord title it wouldn’t give the same feeling it does now, and in an MMO having those things is healthy, and sadly as players you have to accept you won’t always have everything available to you if you don’t do it in the time frame it was implemented in. This isn’t exclusive to Shadowlands, or BFA, it spans back to Classic where things like this happened.
I missed BFA’s Meta achievement, and I accepted that because I didn’t do Mythic Aszhara or the pvp essences so there way no way for me to get it even if I tried, having this limitation be removed would make “Azeroths Champion” just another title and that’s not the point of these.
EDIT: To me a lot the complaints come from a POV of regret and instead of people accepting they started to late they want it to change instead of just accepting making the mistake of not starting it earlier and try to get the next expansion meta achievement. I personally hope Dragonflight will have a meta achievement as well and I will also try going for it as soon as it’s announced, and even if I don’t make it I still want it to be exclusive to Dragonflight because it makes it more fun to go for.
I wouldnt defend them at what they are doing now by gradually increasing the current content of FOMO stuff like that. In the past even the casual players that dont check forums or external websites generally knew where they stand on it - you get certain raid and pvp based stuffas a norm + something specific about to be removed but would normally be communicated in advance and will unlikely be something obnoxious enough that you could play the content and still dont get it due to some low chance rng element to it.
There is a point where players see the road ahead and instead of “challenge accepted”, they just take a different road. Player numbers speak by themselves and if these FOMO shennanigans arent putting players off,they arent enticing them to stick to the current content either. They just become frustrating and kinda cliche, being so overused in the present day games.
Froma certain point of view, you are right of course
On the other hand, you payed for the whole content when bought the expansion and the sub fee… Blizzard may can have our money, but not our time, and time is precious and limited. Sometimes life throws a curve ball, problems, work, family, anything so you can’t log in, can’t play for a time… I had to take a break when the warlord’s deathwheel was available, but not had the possibility to log in, have a sub, so I don’t have it; not a fault of my own. Not essential, just anoying. Had to leave legion before the end, not had time to finish the Mage Tower. Not essential the skin, but anoying. The list goes on.
Sure it is not essential, just a title but extremly anoying, especially when it tied to RNG
Removing a content is never a good idea… to make the game “less”
WoW expansions had the bad habit to have expansion fetures, mogs and such go away… it was predictable, but… yeah. A warning at the begining, guys, do these things because they are SL only… would have been nice
Me neither, my luck with the abominations were horrible… so I gave up (almost gave up the Venthry too, some decos are RNG and pain in the to get, but I at least loved the Ember Court and the whole Venthry design. Necrolord? I hate every inch of Maldraxxus, it is a pain to look at it, so spent as little as possible there)
The Kyrian one is not hard per see, just… god it is so awfull I let it go
Thank god it is just a tittle… if it would be a cool mog or mount? Would be a different story, but “veilstrider”… meh…
I believe Blizzard should change how the achievement system works and instead of removing achievements use the damn date of when an achievement was earned because that information has been there since the first day, and use that instead of removing achievements.
So, instead of having the achievements show as completed and incomplete our achievement lists show completed achievements with 3 different colors.
One color to denote achievements completed during the patch it was relevant
A different color for achievements completed during the expansion it was relevant, but not in the relevant patch. Bonus point if the achievement shows an icon or something with the patch/phase of the expansion in which it was earned.
Another different color for achievements earned in later expansions.
Bonus point if the achievements have some icon or something the expansion in which it was earned, and even the patch/phase for achievements earned in the relevant expansion so I could easily know if that WOTLK achievement that I completed later was completed during MOP or COT, or that one I did in WOTLK about Heroic dungeons was completed during Ulduar patch or ICC patch.
And that’s it, that should be added to every achievement, including Curring Edge achievements that with this change will become achievements about killing the mythic boss.
Even if they want to have rewards exclusive for people who did it when it was current they could just keep the rewards exclusive for one of the colors, so a Cutting Edge-like achievement during the current patch will reward a mount, but the same achievement in later patches won’t. And with this, there is no reason to remove achievements unless the content is removed, which should also be avoided at all costs, but that is a different topic.
This will be so much better than overloading the achievement system with FOS.
If it wasn’t for Wowhead datamining the title I probably wouldn’t have noticed it. But it does mean keeping up with wow news all the time.
Some will always be caught out by time limited events like this, unfortunately. It would be nice if this appeared as news on the launcher from Blizz themselves.
Maybe, the text colour for titles could be gold, silver, bronze or white to differentiate ?
They used replica to indicate later versions of items and make them accessible to a newer audience.
I think taking too much stuff out of the game is likely to be a negative experience to new players who are told something they like the look of is no longer available.
The game needs to attract new players, older hardcore players will mostly stay whatever Blizzard do.
Although their attempts to micro manage gameplay at end content seems to be getting on player nerves judging by some of the comments on this forum.
Blizzard stating from the beginning what is and isn’t limited time would help aswell. Why don’t achievement in-game have the “Limited Time” icon next to it like pvp appearances? It’s silly to me but oh well.
Blizzard will never stop the FOMO garbage because you guys keep boosting player numbers every time they announce FOMO. Who cares anyway? Doubt this game will be around in 5 years time. DF is going to flop despite all the blind hype. They literally have shown us 0 content from DF. There is nothing to do whatsoever. Just quest zones and a daily hub and of course a race people will stop playing after the first week.
Whose fault was that then? My own of course… Even if Im pretty sure that it wasn’t official just probable until the 16.9.2022 bluepost confirmed it.
to get, but I at least loved the Ember Court and the whole Venthry design. Necrolord? I hate every inch of Maldraxxus, it is a pain to look at it, so spent as little as possible there)