Survive the opener and they suck (some classes cant i know). Much worse are balance druids. Solarbeam+Root combo, Cyclone spam and 20k starsurges + convoke spirits. Also tanky af with bear form.
Let them cast 5 sec in 3v3 and your team is done.
EDIT: If sub rogue + team (aka RMP) has brain its the most OP comp atm since sub rogue burst continues through game + op cc.
point is you can stop them, can’t say that for rogues.
also no sub rogue is not bad after you survive the opener. they can kill you pretty much every 30s
Maybe its because 95% of sub rogues are fotm and bad. But i feel like sub rogues are no real threat. Boomies are the worst with their damage also on the whole team.
didn’t notice, normally I just roll over boomies without them being able to even get enough astral power 
So far I only got hit by like 10k star surge, so no idea
Did I by any chance do this to you in BGs and then you went to the forums, because EVERY boomkin is experienced enough to do what you just said?
Sweet, give me the 20k starsurges in stead of 8-10k max with all my cds up and i will be happy xDD
And give bear form some meaning so i can cast in bearform in stead of waiting in bearform and die eventually
You can. The hard part it needs to be done fast.
Monks and Warris are the best class to do thanks to Disarm.
Every 45 seconds to be precise.
Also Moonkin currently has great survival ability and can hit 3 Surges for 15k GCD back to back.
Sub still needs a shift in power. Damage over a 10 seconds time span is ok, the damage over the 4 seconds time span is too high.
I think Rupture and Backstab need huge buffs while Shadow Strike needs a slight buff and Kyran needs another slight nerf.
So that over the whole dance the damage stays the same but is more spread out.
For QoL put Energy reg back into SnD.
It’s probably because they can’t tunnel boomy any more like a couple of years in a row. And iff you use spell reflect as war, the boomy kills himself with convoke and you can interupt it as well.
Where can i find these 20k starsurges?
I am looking for them as well xDD
requires a second person, while a single person is enough to stop a boomkin. Big difference.
If the rogue wants, he cannot be stopped. just press evasion and cloak and enjoy being immun to everything long enough to insta gib somebody.
15k must be a crit then, and you must be very unlucky to get triple crit by starsurges when they got like <15% crit xD
anyways, they probably also need a power shift more to wrath and starfire
lol no
they do zero dmg with casts outside of full moon with full cds. what are you even talking about
Does both not help against grapple Weapon, irrc, or no Rogue ever timed it good.
Was Venthyr and i think it was 8k to 12k non crits. So 20k crits dont seem too off by math.
Sure that only can happen every 3 min but still that does not justifies this amount back to back, also tavel time. Both hit like in the same second.
The boomy also has a 2nd person that help, set up and does damage.
That is a weak argument in this case.
And tbh, it is normal that you get one shotted by a boomy with full cd’s up when he outgears you a lot.
Most players already have a legendary and full 184 ilvl at least.
That’s because 90% of them are rerollers who don’t know what to do anymore when their oneshot wombocombo didn’t kill the enemy.
Hehe, true.
I played boomy in the good and the bad days.
But still iff you get focused as boomy and you are forced to stay in bearform, you do almost no dmg at all and you die slowly.
And everything a boomy does is easilly interupted except when you are in cc.
And no i am not the best player, but i play only for fun in the time i have.
Instant starsurge is not easily interrupted.
Instant Root Beam is not easily interrupted.
If you die Slowly you and/or your healer are doing something wrong if you die from 100 to 0 slowly in bear.
That you do no damage in Bear should be a given !
Well they are not worse than sub…but they are not ok either. Idk about 15k starsurge, but getting oneshoted by 20k full moon is pretty standard. 
Full moon would offer more Counterplay than the Venthyr poo I saw yesterday every 3 min.
2 or 3 Instant Star Surges and all over 10k.
Sub Rogue still needs a few tweaks. Kyran still hits too hard and still needs a power shift.
Shadow Duel just needs to go imo and give Dismantle back.
There it is, you and your healer.
I am a player that doesn’t play with a healer.
And i don’t like the mass root talent.
I use bash because i play with a mage.
And you need to have astral power to starsurge and for that you need to cast because moon and sunfire doesn’t give a lot of astral power.
Only with a talent you have 1 starsurge without casting anything.
All the rest is quite easy to interupt. And the most classes can los you in seconds so casting is useless.
Ppl are complaining now when they are quite good once again.
And a lot of players are still using mythic gear as well without any vers on it as well.
I won matches and i lost matches where i couldnt do anything because of the melee uptime.