Yesterday, I had the opportunity to do an ulduar with a guy with whom I spent 5 minutes talking to him asking me for specs, gs and gems and so on, I spent 2 hours waiting for him to set up his raid and we went to ulduar. We did the first bosses and I did my best. Unfortunately I don’t have enough gs because I was gone for a few months and I wanted to increase my gear and this guy lent himself to help me having talked to him for over 10 minutes explaining to him that I wasn’t going to do enough dps and that I had low gs that, that if he didn’t mind anyway. He told me no worries, just go ahead. Then this guy and his company decided to kick me out before thorim having already done almost half of the bosses saying the excuse that I didn’t have enough gear, that I didn’t do good dps and that I wasn’t good enough to be in a 5k gs raid. I recently discovered the case of TinyViolin who spent a year planning to kill his guild in a Wow Hardcore Server. These people deserve either a temporary ban or a permanent ban for wasting players time. I don’t know why this guy didn’t tell me from the beginning that he didn’t want me and has locked me until next week without being able to make the band that I need to keep improving my equip. I think it has happened to many of us and if you have enough evidence that what you say is real, put a weak punishement would be good for these players not to take advantage of you and waste your time
Why no logs mate? If you are going to post that you are getting kicked from a run for low dps, post your logs so we can assess if you were unjustly kicked or not.
What is your char name?
Do more DPS next time!
You might want to remove names in your post as it’s against forum rules to name and shame (even if it may justifyable).
So you had a raid disagreement and got kicked, this is not punishable under any WoW rules.
What is though, is naming and shaming others: Best to remove their name while your thread is still up.
If you have screenshots of the conversation that prove you were OKd and then kicked you might want to post them on your realm’s discord. Dunno if that’s grounds for that guy to get blacklisted, but you can try.
No no, he did tell them that he has low gear and will be doing low dps and was told that it’s OK, but then got kicked later.
Find a semi-hardcore guild. It’s the solution of all your problem. You gonna have time to step-up your game before they make a judgement, you get gear and you prove your worth over time, you grind reputation and make friends to play with.
Stop playing with random players where you have no clue who they are.
In pugs or GDKP, people doesn’t have time to deal with that and they replace you in 1 click if something goes wrong.
Raid Pugs is more hardcore than guilds. Play Raid Pugs when you know your job, or make your own Raid Pugs so that you have the power and become yourself a dictator.
You tagged yourself in this raid, you trusted the leader, you got kicked. Next time don’t waste your ID and start to find a guild. If you have trouble, check your Warcraftlogs server and whisp each GM that need your class.
While this is a fair response, he warned them, logs can tell us if he’s doing mechanics, using his abilities to the max, or griefing.
While I’m sympathetic, this is only one side of the story. Without logs it is unclear if the problem truly was only the low dps as you claim, or if you also didn’t know the tactics, died to avoidable mechanics, ninja pulled, constantly afk’d on trash or other things of that nature. Those things will absolutely get you (rightfully) kicked if you also don’t pull your weight in damage.
here we go, logs are a disease, people care more about logs than drinking water,
in vanilla and tbc asking for logs was not a thing yet players got together and cleared raids no problem, you didnt see raid leaders forming karazan in tbc asking for decent logs lol, and karazan was harder than togc, cleared in 30 minutes 0 wipes its faceroll,
this " logs " meta is just a way of flexing, unless youre in a high end guild that is going for speed runs and server first, you have no reason to care about them,
i had a look once and had all mainly epic with a few rare logs which is more than enough to get an invite but i just don’t care.
if you join a raid that doesnt require logs you will clear that raid the exact same as one that requires legendary logs for an invite,
it means absolutely nothing.
A pug clearing any relevant content in vanilla and tbc didnt happen a single time.
A raid that doesnt check logs and just invites anyone will 99,9% not clear togc 25 50/50.
Of course pugs cleared relevant content, its been like this since the dawn of wow, wotlk classic is nothing special, quite the opposite infact,
Togc 25 50/50, with a raid leader that is component with their role can easily be done with a pug, gkdp organisers have been doing it weekly, they care about the gold not the logs and they get it done,
Togc is not a thing to be proud of, its a 30 minute raid,
All im saying is players have become to hellbent on logs, its all they care about, they play the game for numbers, which was never a thing in vanilla or tbc, its kinda sad.
The game was meant to be played in guilds or similar groups.
PuGs were never the intended way of playing this game. If you want to raid, go find a guild. If you don’t have the time in your schedule to sacrifice one or two evenings a week to go raiding, you’re playing the wrong game.
If you don’t have the time to go training in your chosen sports, then you will not be in a sports team and not practice that sport. Why should it be different with this game?
Forget about PUGS and just find a guild. That should solve all your problems. But of course that’s not the easy way…
I 100% agree with this, however from personal experience a few months after ulduar release i joined 4-5 raiding guilds, and all disbanded, that is not an over exaggerating either,
In end i gave up with guilds, dedicating weeks of gameplay to a guild just for it to disband wasnt worth it,
Players were quiting wrath faster than i ever seen.
This reads like an old man shouting at young people enjoying things privately.
I asked for logs because he made a claim - that logs, which are a RECORD of the raid, could prove or disprove.
And to reply to your point, if people looking at logs pisses you off, you are probably one of the players we check logs to avoid griefing our runs.
Yeah sure, a lot of people don’t understand how to read logs and only look at the parses, but what good leaders are really checking, are casts, doing mechanics and whether or not they are a liability.
May I ask why they disbanded?
Not at all friend, not even in my prime,
Im not screaming and shouting at people that ask for logs, im just saying its becoming way to prevalent, and its not needed, if players want to play for a number on a website then so be it,
content has been cleared for 20 years without logs, so why the sudden " must have " attitude.
players can do what they want, i dont have to agree with it of course, thats why people come to forums to discuss different views.
it would start with 1-2 players not turning up, then week by week less and less until the officers called it quits, one guild i even applied through a website, seemed like a strong guild, it lasted maybe 3 weeks before the raid leader and guild master left.
So it’s a leadership problem.
Did that happen on a mega server?
id say a mixture of leadership, too much of players not turning up and too little of fresh blood,
1 guild was so bad that officers decided to downsize from 25 to 10 man raids and could even fill the 10man roster,
so i turned to pugging, im sure others have had the same issue.
i was on a high pop server.