So let me get this straight.
The alliance send forces to die so they can lure the horde army out of Dazar’alor.
Why?
Woudnt those troops be more usefull during the raid?
Also what was the goal of the raid?
To destroy ship production?
Just bomb the harbor.
To drive a wedge between the horde and zandalari?
Blockade the harbor and offer to negotate with the zandalari king.
If he refuse, bomb the harbor until he agree’s.
I am trying to understand what the reason is the alliance didnt just invade?
Lack of manpower?
Lack of resourses?
Lack of comptent generals?
Morals getting in the way of results?
So far the only reason i can think of are out of game motivations:
Horde bias: The horde gets to slaughter alliance, feels like the alliance only won because the cheated(aka distraction) and then get revenge.
To force the zandalari to join the horde: We know this had to happen.
Alliance appeasment: Trying to get the alliance players to stop reminding everyone about the massive destruction they endured at the hands of the horde.
Can anyone explain why the alliance wasted good soldiers on suicide mission?
What the reason is they didnt invade or blockade Dazar’alor?
As far i know the alliance outnumbers, outguns, out produces and outmagic the horde.
I know that in warcraft horde soldiers are stronger physicly but not to the point they can solo entire armies.
It was to force a surrender from the Zandalari, however stupid it may seem.
Zandalar was the reason the Horde are still in this, altho’ their grip is slowly weakening over Northern EK their fleet blocks the majority of their army from attacking the Horde there.
That is why when we invade the city we are told to not deal any damage, cause any amount of unnecessary deaths etc… Otherwise the Alliance could have just sent in flying ships and level the city to the ground even without the Nazmir throwaways.
It is not explained very well in the game, though it has already been discussed countless times, but it is basically the same strategy that Sylvanas tried to pull off with the Kaldorei. Damage a people so hard that they will lose hope and surrender. The purpose of the battle was achieved, and the legendary Kul Tiran Fleet now dominates the seas unopposed, so much so that the war could be won in a matter of weeks as the Horde are losing on all sides. So Lord Admiral Jaina actually won, instead of Sylvanas who did not get anything out of the Burning of Teldrassil, if not even more blood than she ever bargained for.
Or maybe it was both? Firstly get rid of the Zandalari fleet, then if possible force Rastakhan into submission? Crazy, I know, Jaina was able to elaborate an intricate plan instead of Anduin or Greymane who just faceroll into the enemy Blight without any precaution.
The main army had to be lured away so the assault was even possible. The scarce remaining forces were enough to make Alliance sweat and the main army was close to reaching them back anyway - they had to put dwarves, that monk and fire mage and even Jaina had to slow them down because otherwise they’d save Rastakhan.
Get the fleet away with the suicide squad, blow up the fleet at the harbor.
Threaten and kill the Zandalari King thinking that it’ll somehow make him and the Zandalari want to surrender
If none of that works at least the Alliance gets rid of a few Void and Night Elves in their suicide squad. Sending elves on suicide missions has been an Alliance thing since Garithos!
The Siege was a tactical nightmare. Simply put, it had a good idea on the basis of demoralization and the destroying of assets.
I’ve been trying to think on this. Trying to make a sort of connection that is reasonable beyond simply just not letting them take part. Or some other stupid reason.
Biggest and best i’ve ever come to is that the Alliance still has other fronts apart from Dazar’alor to fight and maintain. And that this timeframe was sold on the verbal plan on one instance without evident alternative to fall back on.
In general, i’m not a fan with how Blizzard defines ‘shock’ and demoralizing the enemy.
I think you underestimate the Zandalari Air power. The Alliance was only able to attack, because the suicide-attack in Nazmir lured away the Army and Pterrodax-riders. And when looking at their numbers shown in game they would rip apart any attempt to “just bomb the harbor” if they were there.
without the Bombing of the Fleet, the Zandalari are at the same level of Naval-power as the Kul’tirans, and with support of their Air-units no Blockade would hold.
The Alliance wanted to capture Rastakhan and force negotiations, they only were able to do so by luring away most of his defense and failed because they underestimated Rastakhans resistance.
You cry Horde-bias even when the Alliance gets to kill a King and raid a city?
Clearly Teldrassil was Alliance bias then!
If i had the faintest clue that had it.
Where do you get this intel that they had air force’s?
Also that just makes the questions: Why didnt the alliance bring its own air force’s.
Based on the seige cutscene the alliance could have reduce the city to rubble with those ships cannons of theirs before the horde would have been back.
Also jania ex machina is a powerfull mage.
What is stoping her from creating gaint frost balls and hurling those at the enemy?
Ah so we both agree that the alliance leadership is incomptent?
I mean sending troops to a meaningless death and underestimating the stuborness of trolls.
It isnt like jaina could have put him into an iceblock and kidnap him.
There are many ways to none-lethaly capture a person in warcraft, Not to mention she is known to be able to mass teleport.
I cry horde bias because the horde gets to destroy a city, slaughters its people and the alliance get to lose an large group of soldiers, Kill the king they where planning to capture and not so much as leaving a city in unuseable rubble.
Just because blizzard is unwilling to have the horde have a proper loss.
Nope even when the horde “loses” they still get to be badasses slaughter entire enemy armies.
Yet when the alliance “wins” all we get are causalty reports that show how must we lost for how little we gaint.
It would almost make you want to reroll horde just to be on the winning side.
Allow me to Explain.
During the Invasion of the Broken Shore the Alliance Suffered heavy losses against the Legion Severely Stronger losses than the Horde Appears to be the Theme going mainly Stormwind’s Armies.
Now after that the Alliance was only if by a little a tad more Migthy than the Horde.
Then came Teldrassil that severely weakend the Night elves as a whole.
Then You had the massive losses at the UC once the Blight Ran Down upon their forces. Further weakening the Alliance as a whole.
To top off the Bomb of Uc that is hinted to have Claimed even more Forces
This put the Alliance at a great Disadvantage as a whole.
Now a few Corrections the Alliance Neither Outguns, outmans nor outmagic the Horde.
Most of their lands however are rich in Resources compared to the Hordes.
With Utmost Respect such Claims are only Enforced by Faction Pride.
But it is not how the Story Actually goes.
Both Factions are not in Their Primes Anymore, and until the Alliance were given Naval Superiority with the Fleet of Kul’tiras the War would had just carried on.
We know from Lost Honor that Stormwind was going Down to its last Trained and experienced Soldiers.
Now as for Anduin’s Plan Capture the Troll king and Force them out of This Conflict through their Monarch.
The Soldiers were Sacrificed to ensure most of the Zandalari army and the Horde Forces were not their making the Assault that much Smoother with Minimum losses compared to Attacking the City Head on fully Fortified.
How Anduin of all People Assumed Attacking the Zandalari would make them not Join forces with The Horde??
Beats me.
This has been the case for years and it is really anoying.
Yeah i can understand andiun being a failue as a general but you would suspect a master diplomate would know that giving someone an common enemy is just stupid.
Crying Hordebias there shows me that you don’t play the Horde side.
The Horde planned to capture teldrassil to force a favorable peace against the Alliance. Burning it started the sh*tshow that is this war. The Horde is losing this war at all fronts, and you cry bias because we don’t lose harder?
I’m happy there are Alliance players like you. You guys are the better at motivating me to kill alliance, than Blizzard ever was…
I don’t mind it.
It shows that not only has Anduin a lot to learn, but also that his Higher ranking officers use this Inexperience Against him.
The Following Strategy was likely devised by Wyrmbane, whom we know don’t exactly share Andyin’s optimism.
All of this is pretty well explained in game. Attacking Zuldazar head on with all their forces present would have lead to defeat accoring to Shaw. As such, they sent a small force to Nazmir as a distraction, in order to pull out the bulk of the Zandalari/Horde force. As Zuldazar harbor was too well-defended for a head on Assault (as shown in the cinematic), the Zandalari reasonably thought the main alliance host was coming through Nazmir, and having the bulk of their forces in Zuldazar was not needed, not knowing the Alliance alrady had means of disabling their harbor defenses. As such, most of the enemy is busy fighting a unimportant battle, while your main goal is underdefended.
Think of it this way. If both factions have 10 000 troops, the Alliance sends 2000 away. The Horde thinks that is the main army and sends 8000 against them, leaving the Alliance with 8000 troops to fight the Horde’s 2000 at their main junction.
The goal of the attack was to destroy the Zandalari fleet and capture Rastakhan, make him surrender and thus end the alliance between Zandalar and the Horde. There is no real point in negotiating with the king when you already have the opportunity to destroy his fleet and occupy the city.
Or it means i dont let faction pride get in the way of facts.
You really believe that lie sylvanas spun?
Her goal was always to start a war that would force prolonged conflict.
She needs corpses to raise, and an outside threat to keep the horde leaders from turning on her.
And who benifits the most from this sh*tshow?
Sylvanas.
Just like you lost the seige of ogrimar and had more lands to show for it?
Or how you lost undercity and destroyed large parts of the alliance force’s.
Name one thing on the horde side that would be equal in devesation to the nuking of tharamor, the burning of tedrassil or the loss of vast amount of troops.
I am crying horde bias because the horde never loses anything of value.
A npc here, an identy crisis there.
Not a single city got wiped of the map by the alliance, Not a single battle ended in massive horde troop losses.
Nope the horde just loses a few leaders.
The alliance loses entire cities, armies and its leaders are turned into morons.
That is why i call bias.
Because blizzard doesnt allow the alliance to accauly hurt there enemy the horde.
Where the horde can slaughter entire nations on a wimp and not suffer for it.
In general, i’m not a fan with how Blizzard defines ‘shock’ and demoralizing the enemy. 