your one of the leader of russian premade groups in bgs.
i saw you multiple times there. OFC that you should defend this
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Blizzard is doing everything to make the game comfortable for most players, why should I be against it?
I bet most players are not at all comfortable with being harassed in bgs.
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Because the behaviour of premaders in current retail WoW is sociopathic?
You may be a great guy in real life but if your pvp behaviour is anything to go by, I imagine that you, and others like you, would be the first in a post-apocalypse to want to create a roving gang of killer cannibals preying on the weak and destroying any chance to get civilisation going again. You know the type. Premade leaders behave like wannabe Lord Humungus’ or Immortan Joes and countless more of that dreary evil ilk.
N.B. I am only criticizing your behaviour in wow pvp, not you as a person. Like I said, in real life you may be a great guy.
And if, you couldn’t tell, I am being a little humorous here rather than my usual deadly serious.
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PvP in a computer game is clearly not about love on the battlefield, friendship and pity between opponents, drool and snot will not help. PvP is aggression, ruthlessness and not a drop of compassion and sympathy for the opponent, he must go to Valhalla in suffering. Everyone in this game plays their role. Which one did you choose?
PvP is player vs player, this means the opponent is a human being just like you.
Causing grief or harassment to other players is not playing one’s role in pvp, it’s punishable by TOS and should be in bgs as well.
Indeed, it’s interesting how everywhere else harassment is punished but not in bgs.
How about mass reporting the premades for harassment?
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Harassment? What kind of harassment are you experiencing and by whom? I don’t know how it is in your country, but in my country this is a criminally punishable act, depending on the specific actions, various articles of the criminal code can be applied. Perhaps you should contact the police rather than the support service?
But!
If you think that the emotion in the chat is harassment, perhaps a consultation with a psychologist will help you.
The team enters the bg. They try to do objectives or fight, but are met with a directed group of the opposite team, which pushes them to the graveyard and corpse camps them until they run out of reinforcements and the bg ends.
Don’t pretend that you don’t know what this is. This is disrupting the gameplay.
And to whomever this feels fun, they need a psychologist instead.
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I agree with you that during a match it’s fine to be ruthless, aggressive and to lack all compassion for one’s enemy, if that’s what you need to feel, or enjoy feeling. Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.
My issue with premaders is in the wider context of the health of the game. In that context, I don’t think that it’s fine for you to exhibit selfish, sociopathic behaviours that keep your own little group happy but ruin the gaming experience of ten times as many people (or a hundred times as many, or a thousand; I’d be really interested to have access to the numbers. How many people have quit casual pvp because of you guys?).
And a specific sub-set of those whose gaming experience you are ruining is new players and new pvp-ers, whom we really need more of if our own pvp experience is to improve and continue. What percentage of people whose first experience of WoW PvP is getting their face stomped five times in a row by your premades is going to continue playing?
Think about that and tell me that your behaviour is not harmful to the game.
EDIT: but again I will say, this is not really your fault. You can’t help being the way you are and there will always be a certain percentage of humans that behave like you and Larkus and all the others. The real fault is Blizzard’s for not sorting this out.
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Typical bullies, they are not capable of thinking that far as to imagine how others feel or that it’s harmful to the pvp scene.
I said it before, I was there, I did it a couple of times. Felt like a bully. Can’t find any of their arguments to be reasonable. They’re just trying to justify their enjoyment of being a bully.
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I don’t disagree with any of those points.
But I also don’t think it’s helpful to attack them as people. I think we have to concentrate on attacking what they do rather than who they are and, most of all, concentrate on making enough noise that Blizzard is eventually forced to do something about the problem.
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I think it may help to mass report their leader on the bg.
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We all once entered BG for the first time, we all once were crushed by pre-made for the first time. Further actions depended only on our personal mentality.
- I lost to pre-made and will go cry on the forum.
- I lost to pre-made, ok guys. I will join another pre-made and kick your a**.
- I will make my own pre-made and punish everyone.
All options are possible. Moreover, one cannot exist without the other, think about it.
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You’re living in the past.
You’re remembering how Alterac Valley used to be or how it was when you ground out your Rank 14 or whatever.
Yes, in those days, premades were how the game was played and your points 1, 2 and 3 all would have been valid responses. But things have changed.
If you can’t see that, I don’t know what to say.
PvP is now far more structured, divided into various brackets and you, and those like you, behaving like it’s still 2005 are actively ruining one of those modern brackets (casual PvP).
People these days just want to log on and play a few fun, fair epic BGs. You guys that stay organised in the casual environment are a painful anachronism, a cancer from the monolithic past, ruining the modern bracketed present.
Again, I understand that it must be tough for you to accept all that, but things changing is hard for all of us.
And again, it’s not your fault but Blizzard’s.
C’MON AND FIX YOUR DAMNED GAME, BLIZZ!!!
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Premades have existed since the very beginning of this game and have not disappeared anywhere throughout the game, no matter what changes the game has undergone. Those who could not socialize in this game have always complained about premades, it was like that before and it will always be like that. Why did you decide that in 2025 something that has existed for decades should be cancelled ? Sorry, but your desire alone is not enough. And Blizzard maintains common sense in this matter, this is pleasing.
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Possibly. But I think that one would be better off in its own thread (where it could maybe be discussed properly).
Most people that were serious about the battleground pvp experience went into rated 10-man battlegrounds where the whole point is to pick your best team, use voice comms, have assigned shot-callers etc., etc.
You people that enjoyed the hardcore premade epic BG experience were let down by Blizzard (there’s nothing like 40 vs 40, is there 
), so you’ve ended up carrying on your old hardcore mindset into what has become a casual pvp environment.
I’m not saying that premades should not exist. Of course premades have their place in an MMO.
However, the sad truth is that you guys need to be removed from current casual epic bgs because you’re ruining them for a disproportionately large number of people.
What Blizz does with you is a whole different topic.
If, for example, there was a premade vs premade epic bg bracket, I’d probably even give it a whirl myself; there’s nothing inherently wrong with premades. They just need to exist in the right place. And current casual pvp is not the right place.
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Maybe that’s what the “wargame” mode is for, where many organized players can play against each other.
But there’s also a solo mode, right? Blitz. And if you like fair play and challenges, then this mode is what you need.
Let’s ask each other, what are epic BGs for? For solo players or for premades?
Or is it a mode where everyone can participate?
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Let’s be real:
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wargames are dead
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Rated 10-man Battlegrounds are on life-support, mortally wounded by Blitz
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Blizzard let everybody that likes 40 vs 40 bgs down by not keeping a version of it going for ‘serious’ people like you. Hardcore premaders.
You ask who epic BGs are for and I say they are for the majority of the current casual pvp player-base.
Sadly that does not include you and the relatively small number of premaders who are currently gleefully and unapologetically ruining the bracket. You need your own niche.
How Blizzard does this is a whole 'nother can of worms, but it needs to happen.
EDIT: maybe I’m wrong and there is a way of having everyone participate and be reasonably happy, but I can’t see it. I would be happy to be proven wrong.
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You call players “hardcore” who play without a voice, without any personal tasks, without clear voice coordination of the leader? Are you serious?
Watch at least 1 live broadcast to imagine how it works.
These people just play and that’s it, most of these people do not watch what the RL writes in the chat, they just play for their own pleasure.
Mythical cheaters in the team, super-secret addons that help to win and everything else that people who live on the forum have come up with, this is not true. This does not exist.
Premades are what you, casuals, who go to BG and are not able to press 2 of their buttons, did. And people who press their 2 buttons simply separated from you, because they do not want to do everything for you, to win games for you, while you, after work, having drunk beer, stand AFK for 10 minutes.
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