Well the point is you’re changing rules from false accusations, We shouldn’t change stuff because people are doing stuff wrong, That’s the issue, If you’re innocent don’t be afraid, Don’t let people change society because they are shouting on Twitter. You’re trying to change the way the world works because of a few idiots.
it’s not sexual assault to hug someone who hugged you back. It’s very normal. To change the meaning of a hug into being a sexual predator and complying with that logic makes things worse. When do we as logical thinking people say this has gone to far and to stop complying with the bs?
Lets not pretend that “Streamer” is anymore professional than being “rockstar” and Gene Simmons does what the streamers did too.
Freaking weird how you put these people on the same level as some bank accountant who has to run around being as neutral to personal emotions as possible
I’m not changing any rules and you are confusing two different things I said.
The accusations levied against most of the people are predatory behaviour. You made a comment about hugging, it is not normal for me to hug clients coming to our offices, nor is it normal for them to hug me. It is a professional relationship. I did not saying hugging is predatory, although the alleged account of two people cornering a girl in a streamer house to both kiss her would be.
I’ve also had many contracts where I am required to notify HR if we are involved with another employee. This avoids all sorts of legal issues.
Think you need to read most of the accusations, they aren’t at corperate events, It’s during their private life. It’s not the same as office work. It’s like meeting your co-worker after work for drinks and she hugs you and you hug them back, The way you’re saying things would make it impossible for a streamer to ever go near a female again, They can’t ever win.
I see what you mean, but thats already part of this whole cancer that started all this mess. I couldn’t stand work places like that, there i’d rather be alone.
But I get where you’re coming from. Theres something very wrong about the whole female-male dynamic in the western world in general and it has alot to do with this metropolitan lifestyle which is unhealthy
Nowhere was it claimed hugging is predatory.
Physical contact can be though. And as hugging involves physical contact, it can then provide an opportunity.
With celebs like Reeves photos are always take front onwards so an around the back hug doesn’t show his hands. All it takes is one individual to say “and he pinched my bum whilst doing that” and it begins.
He distances not because of hugging being seen as predatory lol, but rather if his hands can be seen there is no opportunity to be had at all. it’s him being forward thinking.
It’s irrelevant whether “once upon a time” we had to think like this, this is now, not then. Someone being somewhat clues up doesn’t mean they endorse the culture, it just means they know how not to fall foul of it.
You didn’t get the point I made. Changing an innocent hug just because of being scared of a women falsely claiming you touched her bum. There is talk of victim blaming? Isn’t that victim blaming? What next? don’t breathe? don’t get on the same bus as a female?
It just sucks that it’s either really hard or impossible to find out the truth when such accusations come up. Yeah, sometimes they’re real and punishments should ensue, but sometimes they are not, and then innocents get screwed, or the story is real but not believed and again someone gets screwed.
You see this is where fundamentally 2 worldviews collide, I will not change behaviours just because the “general culture” (whatever that means, is this refering to how the people behave in the newest Seinfeld episode?) dictates you something. Its so awful.
I will also not take a knee just because i’m white or similar, just because the contemporary culture dictates me to do that. I’m very sorry
You said what I wanted to say but better. Exactly. This has been my point the whole time. The twitter mob is actually working, So many people changing perfectly acceptable behaviour because they are scared of being called a Sexual pedator for a hug? Everyone is going to end up as robots. It will end up females and males sitting on opposit sides of rooms. You guys honestly think it’s ok that you’re scared of being falsely accused by acting normal?
Isn’t that a slap in the face to actual real assault victims btw?
In the same way once upon a time accepting a sweet and a lift from a stranger was probably seen as ok and now it’s seen as odd. Times change.
And no, taking to that extreme is hyperbolic and unhelpful. I work in a sphere that is dominated by women and minors, in a position where I have one to one time with them as needed, and I’ve never once been accused of anything untoward on that front in my entire life, so the idea “being in the same room as a woman will be a crime” is fear mongering of the highest order. I do it every single day without issues. It’s really not exceptionally difficult and I don’t feel like my behaviour is being curbed at all in doing so.
Not all uncles are sexual predators, not all men are sexual predators. There are plenty of decent human beings out there who don’t abuse their position or take advantage of others just because they can, or think they can get away with it.
Do you call non white people racist slurs openly? Once upon a time it was totally acceptable and even commended in white cultures. Now it isn’t. So unless you do, I’m not buying the “society ain’t telling me what to do” angle.
I mean you do you, but “nobody tells me what to do” is not an accepted defence if you do manage to upset someone just be aware of that. You say taking a knee, I say exercising reasonable judgement. Me not being able to hit on women at any time I like free of consequence is not exactly something I see as a hill I’d die upon, especially if it makes them feel more comfortable.
So who makes the rules exactly? Twitter? Comparing hugging a female whos hugged you to being racist is ridiculous. Changing stuff that doesn’t make sense is different to making changes that does. It doesn’t mean every change is up there with changing racism and extreme descrimination. You can’t just slap every human change in with a racism movement to give it some bone.
Your logic doesn’t even follow the law. If society listened to you, everyone would be in jail. The meaning of being a sexual predator would lose it’s meaning, Serious sex criminals in with people who innocently hugged a women, you’re ok with that? “well you shouldn’t have hugged the women, it’s your own fault” Some how I’m supposed to be able to find a wife in this world? where I can’t even hug her.
Who has told you you can’t hug a woman back? Last time I checked what Keanu Reeves chooses to do freely is not because of some social dictum. It’s simply him playing smart “just in case” because in his business one foul incident can undo decades of a good career.
And the babysitting stuff is blah blah fearmongering. I’m a father to a daughter and I’ve never been treated bizarrely when I’m out alone with her, at a playground alone with her, bathing her, taking her swimming and changing her etc. Your hypothetical worst case has no basis in reality.