https://streamable.com/ubhoyp
Is this proof enough to make you understand you failed to “determine” FR?
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35k in bear form is to much, that’s why I lost to a guardian in arena… I got him low like 4 times everybody he healed up…
If you lose to a guardian druid in arena, you have bigger issues 
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Why are you being wilfully dumb?
I don’t care about how many ticks it does. I care about how much it heals, on a non-guardian specs, and it has no place outside of Guardian.
You don’t understand the skill and you do not understand why it sometimes heal that much, I am trying to explain it to you. The moment I tell you, you don’t care. So let me use your phrase:
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Really? You know a tank is op when a pure dps can’t win against him because of selfheal.
Druid selfheal is to strong.
Try explaining it to me, I want to understand how it works. So next time I will kill this guardian.
It’s broken and OP without modifiers.
It’s EVEN more broken and OP with modifiers.
You’re just going around and around “buh it needs a conduit” bs excuses to justify its existence.
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I would agree, if the DPS is good. How many high rated guardians do we find on the ladder? How many guardian druids did we see in the AWC? I can tell you that I didn’t meet a single one while climbing myself. What do you think is the reason for that?
~30% on 36 sec is not broken just because you say it is, it doesn’t make it broken 
You do understand that druids do not have strong defensives like a SP (just as example)? We do rely on selfheals and just because you find 10k regrowth crits abusrd, it doesn’t mean they are and definitely not that they are enough.
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Because 3vs is different from 2vs?
It is not absurd, its this possible in bear form? If yes then it is op, is it a cast while in caster form it is ok
I climbed in 2s, so there is that
Also your argument is really flawed. You reach high dampening in 2s faster than in 3s. So how are these op guardian heals benefiting him with higher/faster dampening? Makes no sense at all.
I feel trolled here. You should really get some basic knowledge first on this topic before trying to discuss it.
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This also effects my selfheal and it is obvious that guardian is at the better end of this run.
I never played druid for real just tried it once and dismissed him. But if you just here to be rude to us, fine. Advice für the next time, be kind and explain it to people.
Regrowth is OK because you need to be in caster form, not ok is usable in moonkin…
FR is just to strong in pvp, for pvp remove the 20% extra heal. Then it should be fine.
And you are better at doing damage? The heal is reduced by % which means he is losing more in the long run. I could explain in detail how you should not be losing against a guardian, regardless of the comp but it should be actually obvious to anyone with like 500 cr experience.
Do you understand that it’s idiotic to cry for a change (regardless if good or bad) when you are not understanding even the basics of the topic (regardless of the topic)?
There are mechanics to it, you should inform yourself about them first before saying what’s ok and what’s not.
And then you should compare it to other hybrids before making such foolish statements.
Try to play yourself a non-necro-feral at 2k+ and tell me again that you would find it fair to reduce some heals
It was a 1v1 where I already used up my def cds. So I was in the bad spot and still manged to pressure him. And no warlock is not in a good spot in pvp especially demo. Where druid in all specs relevant is.
Healing is to much from hybrids, I’m not the only one thinking this.
I was taking about guardian, and Feral has other options like stealth and run away.
Just imagine being a lock, slowest class, slowest mobility, bad survivability. You are always behind, even in the waiting room.
Try to play your guardian (or feral) in arena, have some 2k+ matches and try to state your opinion again. I promise you, it will change 
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As i told you can’t play druid, it is boring and I don’t like to shapeshift all the time. I really have respect for all the good druids out there.
I love my lock and only lock, even in its bad state. I wish they never would have changed mop warlock…
To be fair, FR is out of hand even on guardian which is unkillable in less than a 3v1.
On other specs its OP too with only one counter which is mindgames. Its fun send it to those one trick moonkins and watch them rot.
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Frenzied can’t heal that much with 1 cast, especially not at at 33k hp. I’m guardian on my druid in PVE. It has 65k hp in bear in full tank gear. It heals me for like 20k per cast.
He probably means the druid was 33k hp in cat form, if the druid goes bear with strength of the wild, he might be able to reach the required hp for these heals.
With 226 ilvl I heal with 5,8k per tick in bear form.
No.
10chars
I’ve literally posted a pic.
Druid had 33K HP in boomkin form