Better LFG system - constructive thread

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Latexfear-dragonmaw

So you think its bad to let players choose people from this system and after spec, mode, rating chosen system will group you automaticaly with that person?

Not really sure what you mean with that, I think there’s some language barrier there.

@Latexfear-dragonmaw

but how it will prevent leaving after one match? You just dont let players to choose people.

Well, with the intuitive part of the design to be matching overall exp in as great detail as people scrutinize each other already with dates on achievements etc, what characters they got the exp on and so on, with it having a high chance of actually matching ability quite effectively, the purpose of such a system would be to make people not feel the need to go back into the system that often.

As explained here:

@Bewarê-frostmane

The benefit of a system that can more accurately keep matching you with those close to your ability via such encompassing algorithms that checks detailed things like matching when they got their exp, how often they’ve gotten their exp, and on how many characters they’ve gotten their exp on, and if they’re to be grouped with others on the character they got a certain kind of exp on and so on.
And by doing so, it massively grows the level of implicit trust in each other.
It’s basically like having a system that causes you to “click” on its own, without you thinking it’s because of a fluke. It’ll basically feel more natural like that, if done well.

But there are a lot of variables to consider and so on, and ways you can work in “suggestions” for players to help smooth it out further.

@Bewarê-frostmane

For the record, increasing trust levels between players would without a doubt make people like it more. Which, for the record, trust can only be increased via reciprocation. Basically, if you go from one team you fit in with to the next you fit in with in such a system, then that makes you far more likely to trust the team you end up with after that.
Have that repeat itself over and over again and then it eventually feels like you naturally “belong” with the people you end up with, every single time (or close to it).

It’s not about overtly trying to prevent people from leaving a group after 1 game. It’s to make people not even feel the need to do so anymore.

Also, the part about choosing who to play with, as I mentioned here:

@Bewarê-frostmane

There’s also a question of whether there should be a class/spec filter or not, which I’d argue is more of a possibility in this kind of “lobby solo queue” for a game like this where you can only queue up when already having chosen your character to play instead of vice versa.

If you do that “Tinder” crap, then as Ishayoe mentioned to you already, it traps people in a psychological loop of the grass always being greener on the other side. Basically it makes them loop the swipe much more often than not, because they fall into the trap of thinking they can always get something better.

Which is why I asked you this:

@Bewarê-frostmane

What are your plans to prevent the “grass is always greener on the other side” problem, which has been plaguing LFG for a long time already? (Basically how people always falls under the illusion that the hypothetical stranger you think you can find next in the group finder is better than working through any and all problems that might come up with the ones you’ve already found, which in turn just creates that loop of always ending up in the group finder no matter what.)

Now don’t misunderstand me, I’ve been arguing for the group finder to be possible to advertise in while offline for years now. Several years. But to turn it into tinder isn’t exactly an improvement, it’s just an uninspired and ill-fitting copypasta.