BEYOND URGENT - Who in their right mind

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  1. … decided DHs needed SUCH a rework?
    What’s the background of all this?
  2. … allowed/allows DHs to be broken this late into the patch even after multiple nerfs?
    DHs are BiS in PvE. DHs are bis in PvP. In every lobby (if lucky, every 2nd), there is a DH who simply wins on pressing 123 and wins only on damage.

AGAIN, let me f***ing remind you of a shameless enhancement shaman (25 percent overall) nerf that you did in this expansion.
I have been playing this game for over a decade (on and off) while paying for a full sub without ever questioning it. Frankly, I love this game but this is beyond disgusting and disrespectful. A literal SPIT in the face.
In all honesty and respect, Kaivax and others (whoever reads this and pulls strings), WAKE the hell UP and FIX the goddam game.

  • Stop ‘‘monitoring’’. Time is running out and the expansion is nearing its end. I don’t want to live on a next-expansion dream and I am sure that many others don’t.
  • Make healers equal (or similar) in terms of performance. LESS DISPARITY.
  • Fix MMR or whatever.
  • Balance classes more often.
  • Communicate with the player base.

Honestly,
Your decade-long (moderately annoyed) subscriber

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Thank you for your feedback. Please roll DH or Resto Druid or get out. Kind regards, Blizz Balancing team

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Why don’t you then, instead of crying on forums about rdruid all the time?

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No need, achieved what needed to be achieved, just with twice the effort a rdudu does it

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Actually DH was mediocre at best in S2 with a lot of problems, it was unfun to play and sort of stuck in B tier, had to rely on OP casters at the time such as Moonkins and Augs at the time

There are literal statistic threads with screenshots of it being the most underplayed melee class almost entire S2

The main problem isn’t DH getting reworked

The main problem is a lot of other specs not being paid any attention for the entire expansion. You have a few evergreen classes like Rogue (which also got rework), Warlock, Mage, Shaman, Resto Druid, Ret which received sooo many things this expansion

And then you have specs which are pretty much forgotten or gimmicky - like Enhancement Shaman, Frost DK, Feral druid and specs which are just forgotten entirely - like Marksman hunter, Fury Warrior

Even Windwalker, despite being solid in terms of being able to win a game, has a completely unfun design with more problems in the gameplay than most other specs

If they gave all specs attention this expansion instead of using copy-paste from Shadowlands for half of them, game would be better

DH already got nerfed 4 times, it just remains so good because of how it got reworked. But it’s at the top more because of other specs staying lower due to being forgotten, rather than just being brutally overpowered.

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I agree - the goal of the DH rework was to make the gameplay fun, which it seems to have done. This is a game and it must be fun most of all.

So I agree DH needed to be reworked. They should rather make other specs equally fun rather then nerfing the playstyle.

As for number tuning, I think this is in order. I’m not an expert on the spec by any means, but from my perspective “automatic” damage should be tuned down (the million glaive throws that happen without pressing the button, strong passive effects, etc). I watched some video where a guy had measured the amount of damage that happened by pressing just one ability (and it triggered like 4-5 effects and ended up 450K or so).

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I mean at this point I would agree with anything that gets the rerollers out of my games. The big problem is what’s even left to get nerfed without gutting it entirely

A fun fact is that, the current version of DH relies on a completely different build compared to the one on S3 release. An example of players figuring out a way to continue being good despite nerfs.

Some other specs can’t do that, because frankly, their talent trees are garbage.

Regardless, taking DH out of the meta will not make the other struggling classes viable. It isn’t like the class really hard counters anything in the game, it’s just well rounded for most situations.

In my personal opinion, at least 10 other specs need to just be buffed and brought up on the same level, and then DH would not be a problem to anybody.

I could even compile a list of stuff

MM hunter double tap given as PvP talent and Survival of the Fittest duration increased to 10s
Moonkin gets an actual defensive CD to not auto die every game
Affliction warlock gets their nature school back on Soul Rot, or maybe a new school ShadowNature or something
Enhancement shaman just gets reworked at this point
Frost DK gets better talent nodes
DK in general gets choice between Magic AMS and Physical AMS
Feral Cyclone build gets removed entire, bleeds get buffed, Ferocious bite gets nerfed, Survival instincts becomes longer duration and 2 min CD

The list goes on, so regardless what you do to the top specs, other top specs will arise and the gutter specs will remain in the gutter without proper attention

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The ww monk burst is just outdated, and doesnt match with the current addons in 2024 anymore

I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have a serenity weak aura, who yells at you, when some ww monk use it

u just getting spam slowed/ cc at higher rating, and u feel pretty much useless, dont forget about the overloaded micro cc´s what some classes got

this game becomes even more fun, when the enemy have a resto shaman in the team :slight_smile:

the Legion ww monk was just better and more fun to play, even bfa ww monk

i dont know about that bro, i tried the current dh in Df, and it feels more unfun than ssn1, the set bonus, which throws your glaive automatically is nice, but because of “throw glaive” as an main dmg spell is just unfun

it´s annoying to use it everytime, also the global from it feels slower than other abilities

the only change what i noticed besides of the “set” is, that u can use more often your fire aura thats it, ah, and your setup go does less dmg. if u dont getting blessed with the god of rng´s (it´s just survive and do as max dmg as possible to 1-2 targets)

idk stuff like the old legion fel barrage,or the glaive tempest combo felt more of an gameplay, than the current one / even the manaburne thing was fun to use, but i understand why they removed it, it was just toxic in 2s and it doesnt match fast paced 3s games

but the current dh feels like, u do high amount of dmg, even without a good stun combo, and thats it, u just smash your buttons like a fury warrior and do unhealable damage after 3-4 minutes

it just feels like, that many classes getting played around 1000 modifiers, and without these mods u do zero dmg and your button smash feels meaningless, mby it´s only me, but to play dh in legion/bfa was more fun, but shadowlands destroyed the gameplay kinda, same with ww

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DH just needs another rework period, i’d argue ret or monk, bm hunter might need one too almost even. The way it plays is one sided fun, like sure people cry about sub rogue or rogue as a whole 24/7. But from a healer POV theres nothing worse than monkey damage being maintained 24/7 cause you can press1,2,3 in the right order with no amount of peel giving any feasible breathing room

reminds me of legion monk fury warrior

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Worst and most dogsh1t ever, is spirit link totem, talk about outdated cr4p.

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When the damage profile of dh means a complete noob and a glad do basically the same, completely busted damage whilst having the best death rate out of any dps, something needs changing.

Imo their damage and survivability/nuances should be nerfed. Blur shouldnt be a low cd, omnidirectional 80% dodge wall. Its beyond stupid. The fact they have basically every cc in the game, an ms, dispel and an immunity on top of being near the top in both sustained, burst and death rate is insane.

If you blanket nerfed their entire damage by 10% they’d still outdamage more than half the classes.

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nah sorry mate dh is just way too strong. Its legit trolling to not have a dh in your team right now. Has nothing to do with other specs that are “forgotten”. They are not forgotten they just cant perform against a spec that does everything they do but just 30% better.
We had a really diverse meta in the last few seasons until now.

I think this rdruid, rshaman and dh meta is propaply the worst meta we have since bfa. (minus ret rework meta that lasted 2 weeks)
Feels legit terrible to play.

Doing 100k+ dps singletarget, having ms, 100% uptime, instant CC and good defensives and team utility is just too much right now. They could reduce their dmg by atleast 15% and dh would still be a tier lol

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  1. … decided DHs needed SUCH a rework?
    What’s the background of all this?
  2. … allowed/allows DHs to be broken this late into the patch even after multiple nerfs?
    DHs are BiS in PvE. DHs are bis in PvP. In every lobby (if lucky, every 2nd), there is a DH who simply wins on pressing 123 and wins only on damage.

AGAIN, let me f***ing remind you of a shameless enhancement shaman (25 percent overall) nerf that you did in this expansion.
I have been playing this game for over a decade (on and off) while paying for a full sub without ever questioning it. Frankly, I love this game but this is beyond disgusting and disrespectful. A literal SPIT in the face.
In all honesty and respect, Kaivax and others (whoever reads this and pulls strings), WAKE the hell UP and FIX the goddam game.

  • Stop ‘‘monitoring’’. Time is running out and the expansion is nearing its end. I don’t want to live on a next-expansion dream and I am sure that many others don’t.
  • Make healers equal (or similar) in terms of performance. LESS DISPARITY.
  • Fix MMR or whatever.
  • Balance classes more often.
  • Communicate with the player base.
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