Remove the borrowed power from BfA and tell me they can still do it. Spoiler: They wont.
In Legion, Demonic was the tanky option next to sustained burst Fel Barrage Charges or Chaos Blades big burst.
In BfA, Demonic is the only option due to Momentum being crap and Nemesis.*
In SL, I can play what exactly? A hugely inferior Demonic version, while my class was already doggo against caster cleaves and now will be too against melee cleaves.
So what you are telling me is you are mad that you canât stand there and self heal through everyoneâs burst CDâs? and will have to use your mobility to run away before the goâs happens? or be forced to trade your best Def CDâs to stay alive? like other classes have to?
Thatâs what it sounds like you are mad about based on what you just said.
Read the above post about pruning again. They should have made other talents viable, instead they just hugely nerfed the DH and its survivability without touching Momentum or Fel Barrage at all.
DHs have to play the exact same build going into SL for another 2 years, except that that they lost a ton wheras others get so much back. Ah well, atleast I can have Mortal Rush to Mortal Strike the enemy melees while trying to run for my life after Blur all the time. 
Demonic should be tanky sustained damage, not the best option. Sucks that I have no options and Blizzard aint fixing it.
Or to say it differently: No, I want Legion DH back, and not BfA where every idiot DH can just eyebeam and live due to VoP, Eyebeam-Trait-Reset and First Blood.
But DH has done ALOT of dmg consistently through out BFA, even before gushing etc. They didnât need to buff its dmg. Thats like saying, they nerfed Shimmers CD by 5 seconds, they should give Fire MORE dmg to compensate because they donât have slows.
You donât just have Blur, you still have some leech, even though its nerf it will still help you. Thereâs also Darkness and Nether walk, also your mobility if used well can also act as another defensive. Canât hit you if you pre dash behind a pillar just before the CC lands.
The first point is not 100% true. DHs main strength is Mana Rift in 2s.
The leech wont be noticeably when you add MS and dampening into it, aka something that every melee in the Game has now iirc. Netherwalk is 3m and will cost you your leech, so since you are forced into Demonic again you cant have Netherwalk.
And Mobility, well. I know a lot of people hate DH so much but DHs are so easily kited and roots just completly blow them up. Sure you can take the Vengeance PvP talent for it now in Shadowlands but considering DH is always forced into instant Cyclone and 70% Darkness there isnt really choice there either. Not sure why this Game has so many PvP talent options when you just pick the same 4 all the time anyway.
Compared to every other leather melee their defensives are not so good anymore now, except maybe Feral.
That and high sustained dmg.
I guess since its nerfed you are going to have to swap between them based on what you play. More Leech vs something like Melee cleaves and Nether Walk vs something like RMX would be my guess.
But if they are trying to kill you they wonât be kiting you and any roots or snares will break enabling you to use the mobility to run away. Plus Vengeful retreat slows them for you (short I know).
You have to realise that DHâs are hard to kill even with CC on a healer unless you can blow them up in a stun. otherwise they self through because of how much uptime and dmg they have on Meta, it shouldnât be like that, they are just bring DHâs survivability down, this will require players to be more aware of when they need to start running and playing defensive instead of yolo mashing their dmg all game on something because thatâs what happens more often than not right now, even in 3v3.
They should have done that easily by allowing you to have talent choice in the Game. It is unbelievable how a million dollar company with god-knows how many heads in their development offices cant make 3 viable talents in the 7 rows we have nowadays.
If DH had some ranged damage like they did in Legion, they would possibly be fine with the changes. Thing is, you are just a melee that has to go in to do something, and stack up resources. As I said somewhere already, if the DH eyebeams you will just kidney him now and he has nothing he can do anymore coming out of it.
I would be hugely surprised if they dont turn into a joke. I honestly dont care about beta experiences from rank 1 DHs versus whatever-you-face-in-Beta when looking at US forums claiming DH is still op. DH has the same weaknesses going into SL as they have in BfA and it will just be ten times worse.
And you really think DH will have any good burst damage at 60 considering they have Mortal Rush as a talent choice now? Cause if your class name is not rogue youre not allowed to have decent damage and MS effects.
Who knows, havenât seen gameplay⌠weâll have to wait and see, the Beta is still yet to be properly tuned, so donât make judgement on it yet.
Oh⌠youâre one of those, its a conspiracy, Rogue is not allowed to be bad and if they are Blizzard make sure their good kind of people. Okay then, thatâs nice.
Looking at PvP videos DH doesnt seem to do much damage even in Meta without Sinful Brand, so you are already forced into just one covenant to stand a chance, which is amazing when the Expansion is not even released yet.
Sure looks exciting to have waited so long for this Class for it to be crap gameplay-wise since BfA already.
But again⌠its beta, they havenât tuned the numbers properly yet, so stop freaking out about something that hasnât even been finished. Also if you donât like how DH plays go back to hunter, SV and MM look promising so far. Canât see why that would be a problem for you since its the only thing you ever post on. Makes it look like you want to be known as a hunter.
I just post on Hunter cause he has the most post count on my account.
Also, where is this mentality coming from that MM is apparently going to be so super good in SL? Cause of being able to ignore LoS for a short period of time?
Watched Jellybeans play it abit on stream and he was saying it seems like its going to be pretty decent. But weâll have to wait and see I guess⌠might be different after they tune the numbers.
I already can tell the US and EU PvP forums in one year from now:
âOMFG WTFFFF MM DEALS DAMAGE WTF BLIZZ NERF PLS THEIR AIMED SHOT AND KILL SHOT HURTS WTF?â
Not like the whole point around MM since Cataclysm is huge Aimed Shot (and Chimaera Shot) double taps.
But nah, I am just tired of rerolling every expansion. I already had to get rid of my Hunter and SP in BfA, Ret in Legion and now DH in SL most likely? Its just too much effort, I want to enjoy one character and not swap just because X is so much better.
I just wish Boomkins were better, considering wrath-like Eclipse and Starfall dealing damage again seems super fun, but I guess not. Just the punching chickenbag of everyone so far as usual.
Then stop rerolling, Survival has been decent all BFA⌠you could have played Jungle in S1, Feral got rekt by nerfs in S2 but you can play Thug Cleave instead with an Assa Rogue, now Jungle is pretty insane and you can still play Thug.
Have you ever played Survival since its melee rework? The Problem since BFA with it is that its not fun, the only cool part about it is double bombing since the mini-rework going from Legion.
I also heavily despise playing different specs for different content. Playing Hunter as a main would have ment that I would have been forced to play BM for PvE if I wanted to do any serious PvE in BfA.
Also big reason I cannot stand 3 dps spec classes anymore. Looking at your class for example, fire is apparently doing terrible in SL now and Frost being the go-to again.
Not sure if its due to early-expansion shenanigans causing Fire to have low crit or if no Gpyro spam just makes them so bad.
So donât? Almost everything is viable and can be used to reach high levels in PvE and PvP. Very few specs cannot.
cries in MM
You were already told earlier you can go MM in SL, to which you said you didnât choose spec based on their overall power, but thatâs an issue now?
yeah I have, I thought it was cool. But thats the problem with playing a class for a single spec and not for the class in general, I played hunter from Wrath until Legion, then swapped around abit until I decided to main Mage⌠forever. During that time I played every spec on that class, MM in Wrath & Cata, played BM & MM in MoP and played mainly survival in WoD. learning those different play styles made me better at the class overall since you become more versatile as a player and improved at the core fundamentals, kiting, trapping etc all carry over to each spec. Same with Mage, I started playing Frost, even though its my favourite spec Iâve learnt Fire this season etc, but the core fundamentals of how to CC, how to play offensively vs defensively remain the same and learning how to do it across multiple specs teaches you that its possible to execute the same things in many different ways which further improves your skill and versatility on that class. So yeah⌠just stick with whatever class you like the most, when its in a bad state youâll really learn how to play it well⌠then when its good again all that hard work pays of heavily.
Buddy I know a lot of PvP players dont have an issue rerolling mains every season but I absolutely hate it. I have spent the last 2 years putting effort, transmog and time into my (leather) DH and now dropping that to go back to hunter is not something I am gonna do.
But that comment was more focused towards BfA anyway.