3 expansions now. Looks like a 4th on its way. Accept the fact you broke something that didnt need fixing. Rewind the Hunter specs to the actuall unique playstyle each spec had before WoD. 9/10 HATE the class these days but we play it cause we USED to love it.
Its just disgusting how little you done for the class after you broke it down and just left it in the gutter to get dumped upon. Time to swallow the pill and go back on the changes that broke this class. Think i exaggerate ? They once thought removing Traps from all specs was a smart decision… Shape up its dissapointing and disgusting at which the state of the class is in.
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What In God’s name are you on about.
BM is in a fantastic spot and borderline OP in pve, shadoands its looking fine with a few more interactive abilities.
MM OK right now it’s dumpster but in shadowlands it’s looking stupidly strong at the moment and interacts much better it looks like small changes but plays much nicer. And makes sense.
Survival… Well OK we all think ranged survival should never of been taken away but melee survival works fine and is pretty fluid a few changes like just make mongoose baseline but it’s fine and is super good in pvp MM in wpvp is actually untouchable and again survival in sks dps wise is insane right now but they’ve done 0 parses on hunter yet they are going class and spec then moving onto the next
I agree that WoD and before hunter was great. Despite the hate, I actually think WoD was a great expansion for class design. SV being my favourite spec in that game.
Hunters are a mess in the alpha from what I have seen and heard. Especially MM and SV (both again), the saddest thing is that i HIGHTLY doubt hunters will receive any changes before the game launches.
So yeah, at launch, expect Kill Shot to require Polearms lol
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That’s now, we are talking about the next xpac… SV will be sh1t in pvp, if yu think otherwise you’re crazy, same for BM. As long as hunter’s have a 6 second rez timer, you can foret pvp. Unless you live in a dreamland where you think everybody’s an idiot and don’t know why killing your pet will essentially make you mute.
SV is BAD in shadowlands currently and so far has not even been looked at. As if to say, getting steady shot and needing a bow and kill shot and needing a polearm, are not glaringly obvious design flaws. Yet, no one cares.
wait what how??
It’s just a thing that they’re adding to shadowlands, that all 3 specs will gain the “basic abilities”, it doesn’t actually mean that they will be used. For example all 3 mage specs will get frostbolt, firebolt and arcane blast.
For survival you will need a 2-handed weapon to use tranq shot and kill shot, because that’s how it’s intented to play. For mm/bm you need to have a ranged weapon equipped to use those spells.
Especially with the 0.75 GCD change to hunter’s mark, survival is looking great in pvp, the only downside is the 6 sec pet ress.
Also I find it kinda funny that you guys think that survival design was good in WoD when it was literally the only class in the game that didn’t have an offensive cooldown, like rapid fire/bestial wrath etc.
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This has to be changed… Or compensated in a way, like getting a 1,5 min CD which reduces the cast time of revive pet to 1 second.(So in total its 1 + global seconds, close to 2).
More relevant to the topic; I actually like the new SV. I only wish that they could somehow bake the “old SV” into the MM tree.
For example give old explosive shot and black arrow mechanic to MM. Actually there was a video on youtube, that suggested putting the old explosive shot in level 15 talent tree which replaces aimed shot(damage will be calculated so it will be worth wasting a talent for it). You could do the same to black arrow too.
The point was you could choose what to play, the DOT oriented old SV, or more bursty MM in the new MM spec.
Also please make serpent sting baseline for MM and buff it. Its not even worth taking in the talent tree.
literally plays the same as bfa, but now you press killshot under 20%.
what are you on about?
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Getting steady etc is part of the starting experience in the new starting area to get a feel for each class before specialisations so this shows how misinformed you are.
To judge pvp or pve at alpha level is not to ever be done no number parses has happened the feel of each spec is just fine though which is the inly thing we can talk about surv needs faster focus regen and mongoose baseline that’s about it though I do hope for bigger changes.
As for pet rez Yeh 6s can’t stay I have no idea what they are smoking but warlocks are hit with this too.
Again for pvp every single class is hit by loss of power from azerite so we aren’t the only ones fire mages having a 15s cool down on gpie too so there is that.
Look bottom line is with the info we have were looking strong we’ve always sucked in pvp pretty much unless it’s open world or bgs but in any rated mode we’ve always been the underdogs of a class maybe in mop we where meta but never really before or after that at all.
@chapchap Yeh looks small but actually. Plays a ton smoother it’s much better than bfa as it’s had very small but very impactful changes. Personally I’ve never ever like MM as a spec my fave iteration was legion though I think
but that’s not true, we have way less haste in general and the core of the spec is the same, which works, but is pretty braindead and some aspects of it are pretty bad. we have a bit more focus, but we have master marksman now; killshot is very nice, but it’s another press on cd button and binding shot while being very good to have doesn’t really change the rotation.
basically my point is, it plays kinda smooth now too, but the core has a ton of problems that need changing. While the damage is good rn, it doesn’t mean anything as they haven’t done any actual tuning.
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So what would you change? What would make it work for you? Let’s give. Some. Constructive feedback 
if you want a big tl;dr revert the core of the spec to either legion or wod/mop.
a bit more depth on the problems.
1 barebone rotation: our rotation is use rapid fire and aimed shot on cd while consuming precise shots and managing focus, almost nothing has some depth in it.
2 lackluster talents: half if not more of our talents are either just abilities we press on cd, straight dps losses compared to not having any talent selected or simple buffs to our rotational abilities that don’t really change much if anything on how you play the spec. Hunter’s mark while some nice pvp utility has no reason to have a damage portion to it, it just becomes a gcd we have to use to set up our normal damage or we get a 5% nerf on short lived adds were hunter’s mark is not Worth casting on. (this is a talent now, but will be baseline for all hunter specs and it’s really not an enjoyable spell beside the flavor, so just get rid of the damage portion and leave it to annoy rogues, maybe make it so it’s not dispellable, idk nor care about this spell after suffering all of bfa having to take it as a talent)
3 badly designed cooldown: trueshot literally interacts with 2 out of the four spells we have in our rotation and literally 0 talents (beside the one that reduces it’s cooldown, but while it’s nice to have a cd more often, when the cd shouldn’t exist it doesn’t help) this is not good because it automatically makes every talent that buffs either our main abilities or trueshot itself immediately more Worth than the Others (if trueshot ends up being like it is now)
4 personal gripes (?): I don’t think rapid fire should exist, it’s a badly animated channel that lasts for half a century and also just something we press on cd, if I wanted to spend half the fight channeling i would play a shadow priest not an hunter. aimed shot cast time was fine at 2.0 seconds in legion, there was no reason to put it to 2.5 seconds in bfa, I hate how long it takes to cast moreover at the start of an expansion when we don’t have things like corruption that inflate our stats to pepega levels.
this might not be every problem i have with the spec (things like tricks shot i have not touched on) but i also made a post some time ago about problems with MM and while i have changed my opinion on some things the general thought is kind of the same with a bit more salt.
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I don’t understand what was wrong with old Rapid Fire that they decided it needed a complete overhaul. 40% attack speed for 15 sec is awesome and not exactly OP compared to some other major offensive CDs.
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tbh Marksmanship looks Good in SL.
Survival… im hoping they’re gonna do something with surelyt out of the 3/4s of the SPecc they gutted going into BFA theres Something they can bring back lol.
BM will prolly still be our top performing specc Kappa
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