Blizz wants Nelfs to be in the Horde?

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Which nobody thinks they do. Apart from you.

And? So were Blood Elves, so were Forsaken, pretty sure their unique stuff got dished out loooong before now. Are you trying to say that it only matters when it is Night Elf stuff?

OK, you really want the answer? Because I can give you a much simpler one than ‘They want Nelf’s to join the Horde’

For the -same- reason that Alliance get a Frostwolf mount and Horde the Bloodflanked Charger for completing ‘Two Sides to Every Story’ or whatever the achievement is . I’ve not used the Frostwolf yet on my Ally characters, but in the Bloodflanked Charger description it specifically states that the Horse was taken from the enemy in Arathi. (pretty sure the reverse is the same, that the Alliance captured riding wolves in Arathi) Where there was a Warfront. Now, where else was there a Warfront?, you know the place, North Kalimdor, loads of wild Night Sabres knocking around…

And they haven’t -taken- anything from the Night Elves, they still have them! If they removed them as a racial mount I would understand and agree with your ire, however they have not, and they have not treated the NIght Elves any more unfairly than they have some other player races.

I’m being polite, so I’m not going to insult you, but I am going to say that your theory there is just Silly.

Blizzard are not ‘Night Elf Haters’ So much of the game’s lore and history is based around them it is untrue, and still is! Just going to remind you that they once fought the BUrning Legion off -ALONE- before some of the Horde races even existed. Such powers were used that the world was sundered. They -Created- The set of circumstances that led to there even -being- a Human race, or at least gave it a chance to grow from being a scattered bunch of Vrykul rejected children.
They do not love Orcs, or perhaps they do, they also love Humans. Why? Because it is a fantasy trope, Orcs vs Humans, which was reflected right from the very start. Whilst the Orcs power within the Horde may have waned after the traitor Garrosh, they are still it’s iconic race, same as Humans are in the Alliance. We saw this tirade of “Blizzard are biased because Metzen” threads, just because Chris Metzen voiced Thrall. He was -Voice Acting- You don’t have to -like- a character to do that…I mean heavens, I’m a Voice Actor myself, and am currently having to voice an Irish serial killer, do I like him? Heck no! These same people who claimed bias somehow overlooked the fact that Chris Metzen -also- voiced Varian Wrynn at the time, and that his main was a Human Paladin.
They also have not taken all the unique Night Elf things. Pretty sure we see that Wisps are still up and around, and absolutely kicking Horde backside in BfA, heck, they stop an entire Horde army from advancing at one point. Pretty sure the Ancients of Lore and War are still firmly on the side of the Night Elves, Ain’t anyone else has that kind of backup…

You make it sound like some secret cabal in Blizz HQ plots against a race that is fictional and that they wrote and implemented in the game? I mean, this Night Elf fanbase, what are the criteria to belong to it? Do you need a Night Elf character? To know NIght Elf Lore? Sure, I guess I count too then.

I mean if this is how simplistically you view it, you must have -hated- the original Star Wars trilogy, did you complain on forums that George Lucas was Biased towards the Empire because of ‘Empire Strikes Back’? That he wanted Princess Leia to join the Empire after they had just destroyed her home planet? No! Because that would have been madness. So why project the same things here?

That makes no sense. No sense at all. Were they planning on giving Tauren to the Alliance and Dwarves to the Horde during Vanilla? No, did you complain? I doubt it. Were they planning on giving Blood Elves to the Alliance, and Forsaken to the Alliance during TBC? No. How about Trolls to the Alliance because of the Troll mounts in the Zul’again raids? Where was your posts when it looked like the Alliance were getting Orcs because they got Wolf Mounts? Or like now, it is so confusing, are the Alliance getting Orcs because they get a Wolf Mount, and the Horde are getting Humans because they get a Horse Mount?

But oh no, The Horde get to buy a Nightsabre and suddenly the Sky is falling in and Blizzard hates Night Elves… Pretty…hypocritical don’t you think?

The Night Elves are not leaving the Alliance, or rather, they are certainly not going to the Horde…

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You are missing the point of the thread. The fact is that in 8.2 the Horde had more Kaldorei Lore than the Alliance!

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Shandris was still present during 8.2

Thalyssra was a Highborne of the Empire. It was vital that she was present. Lor’themar…well, his ancestors came from Zin’Azshari…

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They…really did not.

I mean give me examples from 8.2 where Kaldorei lore was given to the Horde, not the Alliance…

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And more I think of it… there was 8.2 kaldorei lore ?

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From the Horde side we were investigate not only Talystras story, but also secret artifact of the Suramar. While from the Alliance, where real Night Elves are, we get only 3 quests with Shandris, where we only investigate a story of no name child… Like really? Seriously? You dare to say that we get a lot of Night Elves lore?
We got nothing in such important moment of our story… We are getting the story only when somebody comes to do a genocide of our race.

Well, old pirates love to “paint” a little bit the facts. But we all are just humans. :wink:

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I have to say and Night Elf fans won’t like this, but I’m sorry…Zin’Azshari lore is Highborne lore.

Both Nightborne and Blood Elves also extend from Zin’Azshari. Nightborne Elders like Thalyssra remember Zin’Azshari. She was a Highborne of the Empire. Lor’themar’s ancestors come from Zin’Azshari. Silvermoon was crafted on the backbone of Zin’Azshari’s appearance, only on a smaller scale.

Many of the common Night elves aren’t from Zin’Azshari. The only main Night Elf character I know of, who is alive and was in Zin’Azshari is Tyrande.

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The war of the Ancient, the books where we learn about ancient Night Elves empire, is a war actually between Azshara and Malfurion. Malfurion the one who managed to see the danger that is coming. He is the one who manage to defeat Azshara personally, and save the world.
Yes, Tyrande and Shandris did no play much of a roll personally with Azshara. but at least they were mentioned in the books, while Nightbornes and bloods elves did not exist at all.

Later when we found out that Azshara is not dead, that she is still alive what happened? When she finally show her self, it was in Darkshores quests in Cataclysm. Malfurion was the one who once again came to stop his personal enemy. Azshara is his personal “Arthas”!

And now, when we came on the ancient ruins of the Night Elves empire, real Night Elves, did not play almost any role. Why? Because Blizzard are Night Elves haters. If you will dig in story forums, it was like challenge. We knew that there will be Azsharas and ancient Nelf ruins, but we did not knew the story. People were writing that this will be total mistake not to include Nelfs in such important for them moment. That only haters developers will write a story without them.

And so that what we get, Night Elves story without Night Elves! So, answering to Brigante, you was writing it like a bonus for Nelfs, that we get some locations with a story. No, when you get some more Humiliations, it does not makes you enjoy the game.
It’s much much much better to be like dwarfs. You do not have any lore, but no one takes your locations, no genocide of your race, no humiliations, and all unique things stays with you.

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Nightborne were the Highborne of Suramar who did exist.

Thalyssra received lore because she was the only Horde character who truly made sense. Indeed, with the Javelins of Suramar, I’d say she was the only character out of both factions, who truly made sense, holding a presence.

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Like Seriously? Not Malfruion?

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Not when it came to Zin’Azshari’s Highborne focus and the Javelins of Suramar.

Malfurion left Suramar, understandably, whilst Thalyssra remained and was of the Highborne caste.

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Its not Highborne ruins, its ancient Night Elves ruins. Malfruion is Asharas personal foe. Finally we managed to open the waters and managed to see what happened there and you are saying that Thalyssra and Nightbornes has more sense to be there? Night Elves that spend 10 k years under magical blockade? A race that was fast added to the WoW 1,5 years ago???
Do they really makes more sense there than a real Night Elves like Malfurion?

While you thinking what to answer think also about this threads main question. Because a minute ago people were telling me, that there is no problem. That the real Night Elves are Alliance Only.
And now you are trying to prove me, that Night Elves of the Horde has more right to be in that ancient Night Elves story…

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We’ve kind of hit saturation point here, as frequently happens with Night Elf Pity Threads, where no matter what facts and evidence people post, it doesn’t matter, because still people will kick their heels and say that Blizzard hate NIght Elves. I do not think there is anything of value to be salvaged here, and would urge the OP to not bother re-creating the thread.

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It is Highborne ruins.

Hell, Khadgar even tells us of Highborne ruins off the coast of Suramar.

Zin’Azshari is a Highborne ruin. Thalyssra was a Highborne Night Elf. She has every reason plus 500 more, to be there.

Those Night Elves were still around, despite being on the Horde.
They deserved to be there, just as much as Shandris.

I bet many would be singing a different tune if the Nightborne were alliance.

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Highborn is just a group of mage that was ruling of Night Elves race. It was just a small group of fanatics.
Zin’Azshari like it stated in a game from dialog’s of npc is - an Ancient Capital Ruins of the old Night Elves Empire.

And which faction holds Night Elves race???

You are missing the point. Brigante is pointing that Nelfs should stop whining because Blizzard give much Night Elves lore. While you are saying that the lore which Blizzard are giving is actually more Hordes lore than the Alliance.

And this is why I have created this thread with a question - why Blizzard are moving Night Elves to the Horde?

This is the point I wanted to point out. I was a fan of one of the Alliance races, a Kaldorei race. But now my race is not belongs to the Alliance any more. Horde players are now telling me that some Horde race has more rights on the Kaldorei story than the Alliance… and that is the main idea of the thread!

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it should be clear by now that this is a fact, people who believe otherwise are just delusional.

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Do you mean Garithos? :slight_smile:

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Highborne are more than just Magi
Their were Guardsmen, Paladins, Warlocks later, Rangers and Hunters, plus any who had great wealth and in-tell.

and let me tell me you something, the Highborne were far more than just a small group. It appears I know more about Night Elf lore than you do, as everybody knows that every major settlement had the Highborne as Governors and leaders of state.
Suramar, Eldre’Thalas, Isildien, Bashal’Aran, Ameth’Aran, Winterspring, Shandaral, Eldareth as well as many, many more, were all Quel’dorei Governed.

And which ghosts do you see around Zin’Azshari?
Highborne Magus, Highborne Guard, Highborne Sharpshooter, Highborne Citizen, Highborne Child.

Their is but only one mob called “Kaldorei Arcanist.”

Hell, it even states on the page that the city is inhabited by Highborne Ghosts.

(wow.gamepedia. com /Zin-Azshari#Battle_for_Azeroth)

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What a sensible and well thought out argument. The factual evidence was especially compelling, and I loved the fact that you were able to disassociate your own opinion from fact, a rare skill. Bravo.

/Sarcasm.

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Which other race has been consistently getting pooped on since vanilla? And in BfA they finally made them extinct and gave the horde all of their lands, then they said they got their revenge and will now be ignored after they killed 1 (recreatable) Val’kyr. Cmon it’s so obvious.