What? The Val’kyr are not recreatable. At least not by means that were accessible to Sylvanas at the time. They are pretty much her Horcruxes of which she only has one left.
they confirmed that at blizzcon that she can recreate these val’kyr now.
Something about her deal with the jailer and blizzard absolutly hating the idea that night elves accauly win something.
Even if it was the meaningless death of a formor scourge minnion.
Has the alliance and night elves especialy ever had a clean win against the horde?
No sacrifice’s, no benifits for the horde, a clear win without any cost to them or benifit to the horde?
I know Brigante pointed out several wins but i dont remember any wins against the horde.
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Do you have a source for that? Not doubting you, but genuinely curious, I thought it was only lesser Val’kyr she could create, which are not sufficient to bring her back to ‘life’, only the (originally) nine Greater Val’kyr. She’s pretty much on her last shot at things now, hence kicking in her Endgame at Shadowlands, this is ‘Do or Die’ (again) for her.
Gnomes. Tauren.
Ermmm. No they did not. the Night Elves are neither Factually extinct, nor are they Functionally extinct. Lots of people were saved, and the majority of their armed forces were not present at the War of Thorns. They’re still pretty numerous and healthy.
But they have not. I mean they literally have not done this. They canonically stated that the Night Elves got their shiz -back!- The Alliance actually -won- the Fourth War! That’s a thing! The Night Elves -won- their fight!
Except Blizzard have never said they hated the Night Elves winning anything. The -Only- place we see that being repeated is in these pity threads.
Umm. Yep? I distinctly remember at least one. Let me just ask you a question here. Who Won World War II?
That’s just a weird take on things, if it has to be wins at the expense of the other Faction…
Blizzard doesnt say alot of things.
Beside i dont think it is something there aware off.
More something they do without noticing it.
To them the night elves are an alliance race with alot of stuff they can destroy.
They dont think about the night elves and go like: what can we destroy today.
It is more along the lines. What stuff can we destroy to show the new threat off.
Stormwind and ogrimar are a big no.
Ow i know tedrassil doesnt get used but is the home of the second most place alliance race.
We destroy that and show how mean and powerful sylvanas is.
Lets just get the horde quickly through ashenvale and darkshore so we can get to the good stuff.
Why are people angry?
I dont think there aware of how it looks for the alliance.
When you favor one faction over the other you see things happening to your prefeered faction as worse.
That is human nature.
To blizzard the night elf fans are unreasonable.
To the night elf fans blizzard keep destroying there stuff.
But because blizzard doesnt care for the alliance they see it as whining.
Same as most horde players.
They did call tyrande killing a valker revenge.
If that doesnt show how little they care for the night elves i dont know what does.
Also notice how the horde accauly started to lose stuff during bfa?
Goldie has said she love anduin, jaina, and baine.
And behold who are suddenly getting alot of good stuff?
Anduin, Jaina and baine.
For all her “crimes” against the lore she atleast accauly acts as counter to the mostly horde focused dev.
The dev’s have favorite’s.
Same as the rest of us.
Unfortantly there isnt a dev/writter with enough influece to get them to stop hitting the night elves for a while.
Which one.
Remember a victory without massive losses or benifit the horde.
A combination of allied and soviet forces.
Blizzard has no trouble having the horde destroy alliance zones but refuse the alliance the same militery victories on screen.
Double standerd are anoying.
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There was 2 addons, started with Hordes victories over Alliance, and non from opposite.
There was 3 Alliance nations, that have lost all of their lands and their capital cities, when Horde had a win over Alliance, and non from opposite.
There is 2 locations that once were belong to the Alliance in contested state, that were transformed into Hordes only, when Horde had a Victory over the Alliance, and non from opposite.
There was 9 battles shown in game where Horde had a victory over the Alliance, and non from opposite. Yes, there was a victory in Orgrimmar, but how can you call that a victory over the Horde, if Horde was on our side, helping us???
So why in the hell there cannot be shown a 1 single victory of the Alliance over the Horde?
Regarding so call Nelfs victories in Hyjal mountains… are you seriously? If I will write in the story forums that Night Elves managed to defeat demons, and save the world, the answer will be that Nelfs did totally nothing! That it was dragons, players, Alliance/Horde, taurens etc etc etc…
Blizzard showing us in game, that Night Elves is a race that is always need a help, a rescue.
Yes, there were some books, but how many WoW players really read those books?
Government of a nation, just a small part of it. We do not know yet why Highborne after the death stays as ghosts, and why others transform in to wisps, but that does not makes Highborne more important of a race than this race it self!
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In the time when Zin’Azshari was the Capital - the Highborne were more important, as were the orders of the Highborne Queen, Azshara.
Back during that era, the common Night Elves that you love, were simply an after-thought, to the majority, ruling elite.
The Highborne lore was far more important than that of the common Night Elves, in Zin’Azshari. Without them, Zin’Azshari’s lore would have been ruined, but we got all ties to Zin’Azshari’s Highborne through the Nightborne and Blood Elf presence.
We got the Highborne from Zin’Azshari’s sister city and the Zin’Azshari Highborne descendants from Quel’Thalas.
Suramar was different and we saw that throughout the zone, with it’s Highborne-presence as well as the Temples of Elune. Zin’Azshari was different. Zin’Azshari was a Highborne City in it’s majority. Yes, we had 1 Temple of Elune, but aside from that, everything about it was centered around the Highborne and their Arcane-ways.
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no you didn’t far from it people made raids so everyone could get the mount max you needed in WoD was 2 .
Zin’Azshari’s was a capital of Night Elves empire. Not an Capital of Highborne, but a capital of Night Elves race!
Highborne were just an small sect that had more rights and that was ruling the entire Night Elves race. When the war of the Ancient was happening, normal Night Elves were fighting against those Highborne’s. It was Malfurion who managed to save and to free his race from Highborne’s. In fact it was Zin’Azshari where the last fight between Malfurion and Ashara have happened.
After that Malfurion became a ruler of the Night Elves race.
He has much more rights to be in that Ancient Night Elves story, than Talysra, no name mage that was no where mentioned in the story before at all!!!
Yes, she is a mage, so damn what? Malfurion is a ruler of the Night Elves race, the one who was the main enemy of the Azshara, and he was not mentioned in 8.2. at all…
Night Elves has more rights to be mentioned in NIGHT ELVES ancient city!
Because it was a Highborne story and they are a huge part in Elven lore.
The Highborne were a huge part of the Night Elves and by extension, the Nightborne. The Highborne were also the ones who became the first Naga, Satyr and High Elves.
I get it - you hate the Highborne and probably wish it wasn’t part of the Night Elf race, but tough it was and Zin’Azshari is Highborne lore and Highborne lore is huge in the grand scheme. Even bigger than the common night elf lore, I’d argue.
Tyrande is.
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Yes. Absolutely true, and I do think there is a lot of that going on; People have actually seriously claimed that all the Blizzard Devs favour Horde and especially hate Night Elves. That is the view that I am contesting. Not that the Night Elves took a smack, they clearly did, but that Blizzard institutionally especially hate them.
It was a Blitzkrieg with one specific objective, it was also vastly asymmetric Warfare. That’s how it works. It was a united Horde army against a -portion- of -one- Alliance nation’s armies. I don’t know what possible other outcome people were expecting…
Exactly, but given that the Soviet’s were officially part of the Allies, it was an Allied win, right?
But towards the end of that war a full third of the Axis forces turned sides and asked for the Allies help, help which the Allies gave.
Did that then make it an Axis Win, rather than an Allied one?
No, of course it didn’t.
That’s the same scenario as Siege of Orgrimmar. A Win for the Alliance. The Alliance has -won- the Fourth War.
Same way as we describe World War II as a Win for the Allies.
But that is in the Lore? The Night Elves -Did- fight off demons, and save the world. On their Own! Well, with their allied creatures like Wisps, Ancients and Pixies. But they did that, by themselves!.
Because the books are Canon Lore? I mean if you don’t care about lore, then sure, but if you don’t care about lore then why care about Teldrassil at all? Stormwind has more facilities as a hub. If you genuinely don’t care about or don’t recognise the Lore from the Canon sources, then really you can’t complain, or rather don’t have a leg to stand on.
Hmmmn no, not really. People often think Tyrande and Malfurion rule side by side, but they don’t. Tyrande is -The- ruler of the NIght Elves. Malfurion is extremely important, not just to Tyrande herself as her husband and advisor, but is their Chief Druid, his actual rank in Kaldorei society would be the same as that of Shandris, who commands their armies. Yes they are a couple, Azeroth’s major ‘Power Couple’ if you will, but he is definitely not the Ruler.
It’s the same as if you asked who ruled the Blood Elves. Anyone who isn’t a complete dunderhead (who will often say '‘Bob’ or ‘Who?’ thereby showing their ignorance) will say Lor’themar Theron is the ruler. And they’d be right. However Lor’themar and Liadrin are actually a couple (Source: the novella ‘Blood of the Highborne’ ) but don’t make a fuss about it. Doesn’t mean that Liadrin is a Ruler of the Blood Elves. She is an incredibly important figure, and usually Lor’themar’s ‘Go-to’ person to get things done, but she is outranked by both Grand Magister Rommath and Ranger-General Halduron Brightwing. Don’t get me wrong, if she issued an order to some random Blood Elf they’re going to jump to it. She’s high up the totem pole (Bit of trivia for you, we always say ‘Higher up the Totem Pole’ to indicate someone is of greater importance, it was actually the other way round, the person at the bottom of the Totem Pole was most revered by the Native Americans!)
Same with the Kaldorei. If Malfurion gave an order to a high level Sentinel Officer, they’ll likely do it. If he gives the same order and Shandris says “No, don’t follow that order” then they won’t, and vice versa if Shandris was trying to order Druids around.
Point is, Tyrande could turn round to both and say “No, don’t follow that order” and her word would carry the weight.
The Kaldorei are effectively an Absolute Theocracy. A State where it is based upon a religious founding, with one singular ruler.
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Damn, I started from the bottom to read the posts, I didn’t read a single word but upon seeing the length of the post I knew it was you Brigante and I was right, hahaha.
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What can I say, I am a wordy son of a female dog!
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Ow i agree with you.
I just think blizzard really need to start given the night elves good stuff.
It hurts every time i kill a night elf.
They lost enough.
Meaby a better story?
I mean blitzkrieg is fine.
The horde winning is fine.
Send most night elf forces away, abbandon her people and getting an axe in the back because you didnt bring forces is not.
Had the night elves lost because sylvanas was smarter i would have cheered.
But now it feels like a 10 year old bully beating a 5 year old up for its lunch money.
It wasnt a victory.
It was an insult to the night elves and sylvanas so call strategical comptent.
Learned someting new.
Execpt germany was occupied and whent through major cultural reforms.
The horde did not.
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Yeah, I was referring to Italy, who were quite enthusiastically on the ‘bad’ side, until changing over and going “No actually, this is tearing our country apart, and we don’t even -like- those guys! Can we be on your side now?” (In fairness, Italy suffered heavily from what was initially ‘Axis troops helping fighting in our country’ which swiftly turned to ‘We are under occupation by our supposed Allies!’ There was even rumour that there was an order from Adolf, to kill the Pope if things got out of hand, (Historians still differ as to the truth as to whether such an order was ever issued, Adolf was after all a Catholic) but whether such an order was true or not, the -belief- that it was, tipped Italy into a rebellion against its Dictator, and siding with the Allies. They then became occupied territory, as the chaps with the armbands weren’t the most forgiving people, until they were liberated with the aid of the Allies.
I always have this theory, never assume something in a Fantasy game is ‘unrealistic’ if the same thing hasn’t -actually happened- in our Real world history. 
Hopefully we’ll get undead night elves to make up for the abomination that was the Nightborne model. Then you guys can truly come to the Horde.
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I’ll still be the shining face of the Nightborne posters.
Gotta keep you pale-faces in check.
The eternal visage of the wine troll. I implore you to wear some kind of mask.
Perhaps you learn how to hold a sword and bow properly, and then we’ll engage in conversation.
I only talk to the men of Quel’Thalas society.
Of all the things people complain about for current Wow, the only thing I care about is the devs’ choices concerning the game’s lore and story. Allied races was the worst feature after all, that has completely erased the identity of the factions. And I think it affected the Alliance in a much worse way, simply because there is strong Alliance presence in the Horde both due to Belves and now even freaking night elves. That’s like adding Zandalari to the Alliance instead of Horde. And the worst part is that there is no reason to persuade more people to go Horde, because things are already imbalanced in their favor… Also how ridiculous is it that little fox people are joining the Horde? It feels like Blizzard is not thinking far ahead to be honest, making desperate efforts to make quick money before giving up on the game…
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