It is how the devs rolls all better dps specs gets interesting and better shadow gets worse and worse each version they release.-
If they had kept the SL core and added the new things around it (the way many classes are treated!), I wouldnât have complained at all. Even the meaningful VF alternative and other nostalgia. The new tools are fun and useful, but I have to learn to play my class all over again, which isnât the case for my alts.
They must agree with us that shadow never had a core identity, instead of making a hard decision on that core.
The process of no communication is worse than the end result. Because weâre okay, bit unfinished, but it works, and itâs totally different, again.
Is the only thing i can agree on since we have no aoe now with mind sear monks are hitting 200k meanwhile am at 15k 20k sometimes when mindsear is up i do 40k.
Our single target on the other hand is completely bad i do 15k meanwhile everyone else is at 30k dps before 10.0 i did 24k - 34k single target dps.
still op as duck
I think blizzard needs to make mind bender a permanent pet for shadow make it happen that would solve so much.
this will be my build since mind games has been nerfed.
If it was optional, maybe. But Iâd rather they not make us another shadow damage pet class, you know, warlocks and death knights already do that better.
Let me point out a most lovely frost mage talent âlonely winterâ which removes their water elemental in favour of a boost to their own damage. I think Iâd sell my shadowfriend for an insanity boost, letâs just call it âparanoiaâ.
I think they should just buff us in general dps 25% we are doing so low dps at the momment 
Either make shadow crash affect all the targets with dots it hits like Afflict locks seed.
Would make more sense.
Gz to [Thellanah] for getting the 666 post.
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I wish theyâd address the shadow concerns as fast as they did with discipline.
Having to wait for shadow crash or mind bender to come off cd whilst everyone else is pumping in aoe is really terrible gameplay. And who thought itâd be a good idea to turn Mind Sear into an insanity spender with pitiful damage? It really needs some tuning to make it worth using.
SPâs ask for changes and then donât like all the changes. This happens every expansion. Also wait awhile for the classes to get dailed in. Its painful as hell atm in PvP but what can you do but wait. Its does get better as the patches get applied.
Blizzard mix things up abit every expansion. Hell I was for quiting over the new UI.
Funny how SP changes but the unhappiness never ends. Make a sim, post some mathematics. See how you can improve SP and show the data on the forum to get blizzard onboard.
If I was a developer and someone did all that I would take an interest if the change was well thought out and backed up with a little effort. Its not easy getting the classes right.
Even if you tell people what you learn its hard to get them to listen as well. I was the only guy using Divine Image for example. Right or wrong. Was the best overall lego to me. Simâed the best overall in my sim. Everyone used FC.
Hopefully your crusade gets better results.
As a disc player I miss Mind Sear just as a quality of life spell. It didnt do any respectable dmg for us, and its atonement was mega-capped. But sometimes it was just easier to throw this on your tank when he dove into a bunch of trash.
Also it could rumble stealthed enemies. Having some counterplays against stealth is vital to the health of this game tbhâŚ
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You can spam holy nova now, I do miss mind sear however. It left a painful gap in shadowâs kit when it became a spender.
NO NO NO! at first i disliked the change of being a Spender instead of Builder, but i freaking love it now, No blizzard Leave it like it is.
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I have two caveats to this.
1: Resource gen tools that scale with targets need buffing (AS / Maddening touch)
2: Mind devourer needs tweaking somehow. Having a free use proc attached to a channel feels awful when you end up needing to move and wasting it. Idk what it should do, maybe compress the channel into half the time?
Problem with it is that it deals no damage as shadow. The Devs screwed up shadow priest once again.
Feels like the devs are- Monkeys. They just break up a spells in such lame way its such a bad way. Bet they think itâs a fix when it isnât. Only because 0.000000000000000000000000000 and so on to end 000001% said it was good sloppy fix. Bet it was probably a twitch streamer.
Blizzard should revisit their game it donât work anymore everyone is doing 140k meanwhile am doing 19k dps aoe.
Add back mind sear.-
Whatâs the point in your game if the class sucks potatoes that you want to play and the devs lies to you for 5 years straight.
Hire competent people or sell you dev team to peel salad. becouse they canât peel potatoes.- To incompetent to even find the potato peeler.
Depends on what potato farm the devs though about this bad game design.
Anyhow fix shadow its ´way worse now than it was back searing nightmare days.
The problem the devs didnât even think they just assumed lets destroy the core of shadow and make it bottom tier spec- with a useless garbage thing from below Pet that spawns when everything is dead and an aoe that comes after everyone else tops dps.-
and here to white knight their bad design is their paid twitch steamers on their not shadow priests.
Add back the four set that was fun in shadowlands or bring back mind sear.
And now they nerf Powerword Infusion To only be cast on players so twin sun talent is dead.
makes it to this talent build instead.
So you can pick Prayer of mending and always keep it up on your self since it will heal 45% more.
Since Mind Games sucks.
You really seem not to know how utterly powerful this talent still is. I assume you PIed your own Mindbender� 100% wrong way to play anyway.
I agree with the thing from beyond. While its a cool idea, it has lot a more issues than benefits. You definitely have to go over +20 keys (fort weeks) to even see it in the overall damage meter.
4 Set SP was not fun. It was a worse version of the Mind Sear we have now. You could spend the hell out of your insanity and with bad luck, no proc. To get the most out of the set it was important to proc as soon as possible our you missed tons of damage.
Mind Sear now is controllable. Yes, Mind Devourer proccs are insane and the difference between no proccs and 2 proccs for example can make double burst dmg difference, but you can still have the damage by filling the insanity bar.
This makes even Void Bolt in aoe absolutely worth to press. All in all, our new aoe situation is a LOT better, combined with the new Shadowcrash. Cant imagine to even compare it to the old SP. I hope (and im quite optimistic) that SN will never ever return.
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I think we were just PIâing our pets to be cross 
Iâve been trying to give my PI to different partymembers, but in tense situations I may have chosen wrong.
We were talking about rumbling stealthed enemies with holy nova, so the damage doesnât matter. Itâs actually 2yds larger than arcane explosion fwiw
Idk whatâs going to happen when the dev finds out one MD proc is twice as valuable as the other. A lot of examples of procced spells cause them to instant cast but it seems excessive for a 100 insanity sear, might make sense for a 50 one. I do enjoy casting my MD sear on a mob that just dies. Oopsie. MD could just be âyour next 100 insanity is free, enjoy!!â. Wait, Iâm back to listing the many, many ideas for fixing that we know arenât going anywhere.
The Devs for shadow should look for new work at McDonalds selling sad meals. If they think this is an okay direction to take.
And The only new things i like is
that we get Renew and Prayer of mending and stronger bubble and Flash heal back thatâs the only good shadow rework weâve ever gotten since after legion. With a Minor Plus point in Dominate Mind wish it lasted until canceled. .
And thatâs Sustain not Dps speaking.
Since its not worth specking Mind games this will be my new build.-
this will be max lvl 70 build
And thats because twin sun talent is dead on Wednesday.
picking spellwarding gives me 3% + 75% reduction towards the shadow word death penalty.
I like this macro for Dominated Mind
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] Dominate Mind
Makes it so you can focus target mc just by clicking the macro it MC the target all the time. Just wish blizzard buffed the talent to be permanent on NPCS