This is a bit funny, because on Living Flame we are all on a locked server.
That mean in practice close to no bots, economy is healthy, everything is cheap on auction house. I did countless of GDKP where people bought items for literally 5 gold (2/3 quests at max level).
My last GDKP was 2 gold/person lmao. Most people are now geared to the teeth.
This is the fairest loot system you can have. We will never give up this loot system unless you remove master loot.
The game opened 2 months ago, most people don’t have that much golds. If you think about it, in WOTLK or Era, old players have sooo much golds, buying any items in theses expansions is impossible if you don’t have a credit card.
While in SOD, anyone can enjoy a GDKP, you don’t need to buy golds, just do some quests and you are good to go. Nobody will put 300g for an epic weapon in SOD because 99% of the player base don’t have that.
If GDKP doesn’t exist anymore, I predict a large major increase in ninjaloot for P2.
My dude people already have more than 10k gold at lvl 25.
Yes, maybe for now you could’ve. But the GDKP meta will evolve more and more as time goes by, and it would’ve eventually lead to the same thing as in WOTLK, so preventing it early is the best thing to do.
They never said Living Flame will be locked forever, what happends when they unlock it and it gets swarmed with bots ?
As they said - they are experimenting with this, that’s why GDKPs are gonna be banned only in SoD (for now), because the whole season is experimental, we all wanna see how a classic server(nowadays) will look like without GDKPs.
Really? Epic staff has been selling for 800g in some GDKP raids in US.
Like 99% of the playerbase knows that GDKP is the main driving force behind the excessive amount of bots. You have a small minority that likes to pretend it isn’t, probably because it’s their main source of gold income doing a 30 min raid a few times a week and receiving bought gold indirectly from a few people in the raid who are willing to drop ridiculous amounts of bought gold on 1 item.
Not to get technical but gold buying is the main driving force behind the excessive amount of bots, not GDKPs. Yes of course people buy gold to use in GDKPs but GDKPs are not the source of the botting problem.
IMO they should be aiming to treat the source not the symptom.
The amount of bots is directly linked to the the demand for gold. The biggest contributing factor to having excessive amounts of gold that is consistent throughout all phases of classic wow is GDKP. People aren’t spending thousands of gold per week on consumables or BOE gear. Other things like epic mount or professions are a one time purchase that don’t require you to constantly have more gold.
Bots won’t disappear and I don’t think anyone believes this change will eliminate bots completely, but restricting GDKP is a massive step in the right direction to eliminating the huge demand for copious amounts of gold to be injected into the economy. Ultimately the prices for gold will drop because the requirement is no longer there. Hopefully it drops to a point that the margins for botters making money becomes so low that they will be forced into a position where it’s just not worth it anymore. Especially if they manage to clamp down on banning accounts.
At this stage, banning GDKPs on Era will do more harm than good. Consume prices will be through the roof and new players will then have 0 chance to buy consumes
People can trade gold between different versions of the game so if they have 500k in wotlk they can trade to SOD, gold for loot has always been scammy, cringe and ridiculous.
Or they could just make an alt and spend a few hours a week farming basic elixirs since that’s all you really need for any content in classic anyway. I mean they’re even increasing lvling speed which will probably happen in every phase to allow new players to catch up.
I don’t think you realize how much you got to farm. A flask is literally 700 gold. Nobody is bringing you into BWL+ with a mongoose and an elixir of giants lmao
No I think he was talking about the actual classic ERA realms, not SoD. It’s actually unplayable on those realms if you do not do GDKPs at this point, its literally doomed.
ROFL yeah dude I played classic era and we used to clear both MC & BWL back to back in less than a few hours. Most of the raid never had flasks except for a few people who were into topping the meters. It’s Bobby basic stuff and will be even easier in SOD with all the buffed abilities. Let’s not pretend that you needed to be flasked up for every BWL raid unless you were into speed running or something.
For all you know they might even introduce some cheap raid flask in the future that doesn’t have the same requirements as having to deal with a black lotus mafia controlling the market.
Having healthy GDKPs is a consequence of a catastrophe of a bot-RMT reality.
I agree that GDKPs with “self-handfarmed” money are more healthy, and people that “boost” do play well because they are there for the money. However, we can’t ignore that Living flame is a closed ecosystem. Ask other servers full of bots how GDKPs work, their values, and stuff; it’s still a problem.
I think that seeing GDKPs as a healthy thing is a so called community created problem, because raids should be that way by default; it is a problem that people tend to get boosted expecting to compete with people who perform at 91+ percentile with equal or less gear, and if gold were not involved, people would care alot, but since those boosteds do pay alot of gold and make the run worth for some who don’t loot, people don’t care.
GDKPs then, do bolster the mentality of not improving and not playing the game at all (being super soft and optimist about them), which is a slacker mindset that is not healthy from a pure game perspective. In reality tho, GDKPs, at their radical state, do foment RMT, bots, inflation and loneliness.
No it’s not. The norm is world buffs and few elixirs/protection/mana pots & some food buffs. Most people don’t care about parsing or speed runs.
If you think everyone is going to be spending 800g on a flask every week to clear content that you can do with lvl 55 greens you’re delusional.
Nobody cares that you’re perception of raid consumables for content that’s been done to the death is completely ridiculous. I mean you’re trying to claim that nobody will inv you to a MC or BWL raid without a flask
Never claimed you needed flask for BWL, but AQ40 and onwards def does. Not sure what 5 hour runs you’re joining, but the GDKPs who clear it on the same night, they do require people to bring everything
