Lets turn it back around: those customers who harass devs, can also just click that X, ignore, unfollow or otherwise not engage with said developers, if they don’t like how devs respond to harassment.
Indeed, and I haven’t argued otherwise.
Indeed, they can, and they have, and I haven’t argued otherwise. Doesn’t make the personal accounts less personal. Doesn’t make it wrong to put the company your work for in your bio wrong. It only means actions have consequences, no matter what capacity you perform those actions in.
I dunno. A company facing a lawsuit because they ignored harassment should damn well support those who stand up against it. That’s just good PR with the lawsuit looming over their heads.
It’s hardly ruin when your employees do they work the company should’ve been doing all these years.
Now, if they do end up causing serious damages, then yeah, there will be consequences. We’re not the ones to judge that, though.
There often seems to be a doublestandard when it comes to those critical of anything Blizzard (mainly WoW). Online harrassing to the degree described is a criminal offense in a fair amount of western countries, even if it rarely is pursued or acted upon.
Whatever Asmongold tweets from his verified Asmongold twitter account will reflect on Asmongold the business enterprise. If he bashes his customers, he can’t get away with a “just a personal account” excuse.
Well Azmogold does not work for them as far as I know.
But that guy who called wow players this and that for, well, I’m not sure what for, we didn’t make enough sacrifices at the altar or social media outrage or whatever. Well it wasn’t the players who forced the Blizzard employees to get smashed on booze or to diddle each other, or whatever the hell went on there. The players have always been the same, they want content. Good content. So I don’t see that guy’s rants as anything but hypocritical since what could a player do to stop whatever the hell that dev was complaining about when he who works there didn’t do a god damned thing prevent bad things from happening there. So I think, in this situation that guy should just shut his big mouth and get the eff back to work.
Blizzard execs and devs need to keep their “personal opinions” in their pants.
They should do their frikkin’ job first, instead of guilt tripping your bloody customers for asking to have what they pay for.
We are not the ones responsible for Blizzard failures, don’t push that crap on us. Customers “part of the problem”, no, no we’re not. They are the part of the problem with that attitude.
I’m a good, well paying and bloody loyal Blizzard customer for many years and that tweet totally blew me out of the water - how dare they?
To be fair … if people are whinging at one person who probably doesn’t have complete control over anything - then if I was in their shoes I’d get annoyed too.
You don’t like something about wow then unsubscribe. You get a chance to say why you’re cancelling.
You guys miss the point. The OP was saying that they get “Verified” because of their job at Blizzard. My point was that “Verified” doesn’t not come with being employed by Blizzard. It comes from being a well known person. “Verified” is not something that comes with the job and goes when you leave the job.
My point was if a non-Blizzard employee with verified can tweet personal opinions, then Blizzard employee can also tweet personal opinions. They know they risk getting fired if the tweet is very bad.
If you are a good customer then you should not take whatever they tweet personally.
If you are one of the customers who harass the devs, use personal attacks against them on their own personal twitter account, demand they get fired (not for ethical causes but because some in game design issue), insult them left and right, then you are NOT a good customer.
Paying money doesn’t make you a good customer and doesn’t give you the right to harass the devs. Simple, right?
It’s a good starting point. Most of the stuff in there has links to real studies and research. Well, I’m talking mostly about math and physics, but even for other staff there are usually links to the sources.
They are not some small indie company there. They have more than enough resources to restructure, reform and rebuild the whole place.
They need to clean up the whole vipers’ nest, all the arrogant and toxic people who think they are some rock stars just because they are sitting there for decades, all the people who disrespect their teammates and subordinates and yes all the people who have the gall to come out on social media to guilt trip customers for no bloody reason.
These are all attitudes Blizzard does not need to make great games and can’t afford anymore either.
So yes, I most certainly hope they will be able to turn this around and I have no illusions it will be a process that takes a few years, even if they do.
And yes, some people - they will have to let go, because you can’t teach new tricks to the old dog.
And as for WoW specifically - yes, they absolutely can afford to pull out FF14 ARR on this, if they decide that reputation and long term benefits outweigh the costs.
They can totally just say - you know what guys, we slow down WoW for next 2 years, make it complete free to play for these 2 years and we do this to come back after 2 years with a version of WoW that will rock your socks off.
With what we got in 9.1? Probably they should, instead of just bleeding by releasing more subpar patches. Do 9.2 - go out with the bang there and go on hiatus until 2023, while making game F2P and maybe doing small side story content patches once in a while.
Yeah, this rule also applies here, but if a random idiot keeps insulting wow devs nobody would care, but dare one blizzard dev like a post where somebody calls that random idiot an idiot and everyone will screencap it and blow it out of proportions. For company it is bad as a whole.
Thats why its just reasonable to just not respond at all to those threats.
I am perfectly aware that a random Joe who works overtime at blizzard and keeps getting death threats for something he is not even responsible of is bad, but he shall be above those stupid people and just keep himself off twitter.
The peoples mindset on twitter is so divided that whatever you do one side will hate you either way.
I thought you were speaking about another tweet. But now that I know what tweet you are speaking of, I 100% agree with the Blizzard dev.
The man is speaking plain English and he is 100% right.
I also bought ALL Blizzard games since 1994. I paid wow sub since 2005 (at times for 2 accounts) . I even bought multiple copies of some games. In total I paid several thousand euros to Blizzard over the years. BUT I GOT WHAT I PAID FOR.
Me buying Warcraft I 27 years ago or Cataclysm 10 years ago, doesn’t make me entitled to have Patch 9.2 in time. However, I have every right to stop my subscription right now, and subscribe again when 9.2 is available, or keep paying and wait. My choice.
I also realize that the lawsuit against Blizzard, and some employees having to be fired, other employees have to answer questions to help investigations, content having to be changed to remove the names of sexually abusive employees from the game, etc. All this will affect the 9.2 dead line.
And NO IT IS NOT MY FAULT OR YOUR FAULT that some Blizzard employees were abusive. But it would be MY FAULT if I said “hey Blizzard, don’t waste time with investigations, don’t fire those guys so that I can get my patch in time because I paid for purchased Diablo III 9 years ago.”.
Just remember this, you are not paying your money to Blizzard as some sort of help or charity. You are getting a product in return. They owe you nothing and you owe them nothing.
Guess what… They can do their investigations and cleaning the house and everything they need to do without expecting their players to foot the bill.
You delay patch 9.2 to take care of your crap, fair enough, take half a year, but then what would actual decent company would do with such delays/reworks - set the game F2P for the time you need to do that.
If Square Enix could do exactly that with FF14, so they Blizz can do with WoW. FF14 was switched for F2P for 2 years, while they were fixing the game. And nobody there blamed the customers or demanded they foot the bill. They realized that what they offered was subpar and they vowed to fix it with their own $$ - and they did just that.
And no buddy, when I get something like 9.1 after 8 months of waiting and they tell me to wait and finance another 8 months for 9.2 because they need to fix their cesspit - no I have no sympathy there.
Players should not be expected or asked to pay for Blizzards’ mess. And players most certainly should not be guilty tripped over raising a completely fair question about product delivery timeline.
It’s not players’ issue they had seniors who could not keep their hands to themselves. We’re not part of the problem - we did not pay Blizzard so their staff could drink themselves senseless to the point they lose touch with reality and do these things.
And quite frankly - that tweet in particular, that’s just cute. Imagine senior dev who seen this cesspit up close for years and yet kept his mouth shut comes out and tries to push blame on players over this whole mess.
You’re not required to stay subscribed, either. You can wait, then come back when the game is ‘where you want it to be’ instead of posting here over and over about how much you hate everything about the game currently and that everything should change to suit your needs without taking into account people with differing opinions.
I play this game because of social ties I built for years. So yes, Blizzard has me hostage, that’s a very big part of WoW’s business model.
So yes, I’ll pay. But that’s that and this is this. I don’t need to hear from some dude who was in the thick of it that I am the problem because I expect them to get off their buns and start actually working on the game and delivering what should be delivered.
It’s not my problem they destroyed everything they built over the decades in the matter of few years.
I did not grope and sexually harassed the employees or encouraged and covered up that crap.
So no, I should not be footing this bill and paying for their mess.
No they don’t, you’re doing that all in your own little head.
Neither did that Dev. Shocker. Every dev that both either was victim to it, or had nothing to do with it is REAL tired of people saying that to them too.
No, I’m not going to leave the guild and friends I am with for years now. So yes, I am forced to pay this sub and keep getting subpar crap shoved in my face, because they are worth it.
And 9.1, quite frankly is simple a meme of a patch. This undertuned raid where we will get our famed slayer in about 3 weeks from now give or take and this stamp sized area filled with nothing. And this budget Thanos story with absolutely dreadful storytelling.
Yes this is bad. And now they hint players 9.2 is going to be delayed too and they expect, no - demand actually, players to pay for that delay, because otherwise you’re the “part of the problem”. How nice.