We just need our cov abilities looked into, and given a small raid utility like a new poison that debuffs the target, and rogues will be fine.
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Yeah maybe… but blizz has their chance to fix rogues in the 9.0.5 patch. However, so far rogues have been completely ignored.
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Where to start? Assassin spec lacks Mastery , Rotation and Talents. It has talents still presented from 2016.
Sub ; I have no words for the spec after i saw latest DPS Ranking.
Outlaw ; RNG makes you good or crap. Also giving Target Cap on Blade Flurry is not fun. If the spec revolves around cleaving damage 4 target caps are not good. Not to mention spec itself lacks burst even via Killing Spree.
So tell me guys where to start? Blizz clearly not even looked in to Rogues before they realease Shadowlands. Also as a NF Sepsis damage is LOL.
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Yeah… was disappointed to read the 9.0.5 patch notes :S
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Rogues need a better rework than we got. We did somewhat fine at the start of the expansion but have fallen out of favour quickly as gear becomes more avaliable.
This shouldnt be the case whatsoever…
People cry about rogues in pvp, sure Kyrian rogues dominate but rogues who are anything else falls a bit behind because blizzard hates us it seems.
Just give us more baseline vers and crit and rework some of the other covenant abilities. Its such a simple fix. It baffles me how anyone can think we are “fine” in the current raid meta.
Alot of rogues are switching or have already switched from Kyrian to NF. This is especially true for PvP.
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Basic NF ablity “soulshape” is good. All covenant damage abilities and soulbinds are trash for rogue.
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Nothing wrong with the soulbinds. For example Korayn’s first strike that can be unlocked this week is huge… but yes, the rogue cov. abilities are very underwhelming.
My argument is what clearly debunks yours.
Who doesnt hate rogues because they been top melee for 15 years, they still are top tier in 2/3 aspects of the game and you whine about being top tier in raids as well?
I mean at this point if you dont understand that your class is shining both in PVP and M+ and you demand to be top tier in raiding too that itself makes you a troll.
As said before and i will say it again:
During CN launch rogues where top tier everywhere, scaling is what brought them down
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They are the only pure melee dps class, it wouldnt make sense to not make them top tier.
yeah, everybody knows this and it doesn’t change the fact that rogues need tuning now.
That assassination needed a 20% dps buff to even be close to viable just shows how little attention blizz has given rogues.
You seem to think that rogues are the most overpowered class in the game when it clearly is not. I don’t refute that other classes/speccs need their own buffs in PvP and/or PVE. Still doesn’t mean rogues are in a good position when only 1 specc is viable in high end M+/raid and 1 specc is viable in high end PvP and 1 specc is just dead.
But I forget… All you do is whine about rogues as soon as you get a chance to. PTSD from some ganker or something?
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The pure dps thing is dating back to classic, i dont know why you think youre entitled to be top dps because you dont have a tank/heal spec but that is 100% wrong.
They do, they actually need nerfs in PVP+M+ and then a buff to raiding.
Well… They are 100% by far the most OP class, its not only their damooge but their toolkit is absurd.
I guess you did not live the BFA S1-2-3 era’s we had to have a rogue to time a M+ because without them it was simply not doable?
I dont pvp at all and i have never used WM on, i just hated the fact that i have to have a rogue to do a simple dungeons for 2 years whilst you think your class is not OP
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why? Otherwise just throw the class in he bin.
why? enlighten me.
Please explain to me what is so OP about our toolkit in Shadowlands that doesn’t get outmatched by other classes?
No I did not. BFA was a trash expansion that I am happy that I avoided. What was in the past was in the past, says nothing about the state of the game today.
Then how can you have so much opinions about rogue PvP?
Fair, I guess you are talking about BFA then. Shadowlands is very different.
Why?
The question is why you think you should do more dps from other dps specs because you dont have a tank spec, that mindset belongs to classic with their talent trees, for many years not there are no tree’s in wow just diff talents for each spec.
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict
I trust you can find 3v3 ladders on your own? Top ranking is arogue and many more below him
BFA was great, the past is that your class dominated then and it should not dominate now as well because the game sadly has 24 dps specs which means more need to be starring like you did for the last 6 years from legion to BFA.
Im reading alot what people say in the forums plus i can look at the ladders, you can do it yourself you know…
Sadly its not, its the same 1 melee class dominating again and thats why im replying to you. Its not because i hate you or your class or whatever
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Rouges are bottom of the barrel class atm.
Quite few other classes just do what they do and more, more damage, utility and survivability.
Yes you already showed this. It doesn’t explain anything. Stop posting links and pretend to know of what you are talking about.
I don’t even know what message you want to convey with the second part here. If rogue dps is not competitive as a pure melee dps class then what is the point of even having rogues in the game? that is the argument. If a class is limited to 1 role, it should be good at it.
Right, so WoW should be a bit like Kindergarten where the kids get to take turns on who gets to go down the slide.
Okay… then please understand that when you see that 9/100 players in 3v3 are rogues, it only shows that rogues are in a healthy position in PvP, not OP. There are 12 classes in the game, which means that a healthy representation in PvP would show that there are 8.3 of each class out of a 100 players.
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Rogue is bad in pvp too. Only reason it is “viable” on ladder is because they get carried by mages.
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So it does not explain anything that only rogues are starring in the first page along druuds and mages?
I mean if you choose to be like it, i will tell you exactly the same about what you posted about DPS rankings in CN. It means nothing.
Not going to bother to read the next of your reply, sorry but if you cant understand basics we cant talk.
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Come with your main then we ll talk. No point talking people with alts / smurfs. If you are a rogue come with your main. Otherwise your ideas and statements are invalid.
If i log with my main and start posting people think im hiding, now the exactly opposite.
But hey, if you go on RIO website it will tell you whos alt this munk is
So game balance, looking at RIO reports and pvp ladders is only something rogues must talk about…
Mate you even serious? 
That’s the same rogue who had posts how he will sue blizzard about how crap the game is but he is still here
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