Blizzard just nerfed feral dps by 20%

I honestly dont know what you are doing. Fighting the righteous crusade against any justified changes. An other hard to shallow pill just for you: 2.4.3 was not perfect. It had bunch of issues that was addressed in Wotlk. What about faction balance? Why are there 20% more horde players than alliance? Why Will of the Forsaken doesnt share a cooldown with PvP Trinket? Why does Perception make you see stealth over 20 yards away countering every stealth class in arena?

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How is it justified?

I know, I expressed my preference for 2.0 release with bugfixes and progressive patches before TBC classic was announced. We didnā€™t get that. Now suck it up like everyone esle who gets a less fun version of their class as a result.

What about it? Do you want to change that as well?

Blizzard said that they try to do better with TBC, not going down the nochanges path only literally milking the playerbase for subfee and patting themselves on the shoulder that how popular wow is again. I was happy for the paladins that they got what they deserved (Seal of the Martyr from Wotlk btw). Everyone thought Blizz will actively develop classic tbc to be the superior version of the 2007 game, but they clearly lied as things now stand. We didnt get no faction balance, we dont get game system refinement, they only put in ingame shop, store mounts, boosts and wow tokens in 2 years.

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Thatā€™s my point, people defending nochanges blindly are stupid

All in all as I said before. I would like Blizzard to formally address this so we know where we stand. And this is not a case of ā€œWell, my X class never got Y spell, so can you address this Blizz so we know its not a bug?ā€ No, this change was (as far as I know) at no point mentioned as a intended cat nerf. And why it could have flown under the radar was because an insanely low amount of Ferals knew about powershifting back in the day.

If the energy stays as it is now, well clearly that sucks and is horrible for the Feral dps gameplay, but I will accept it, not much else to be done.

My main fear is that the classic team is so small that they cant put all the fires out and make all the changes. Hence why the current prepatch is so heavily infested with bugs.

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How is it justified? You canā€™t have the class with the most mechanical skill requirement to be the worst performing class in any game. Thatā€™s game development 101. You have to put rewards behind the difficulty (Blizzard failed this in the last 3 expansions as well btw). Noone cares about being a hybrid nowdays either. Anyone who says that you shouldnt powershift and use the mana to heal in raids is a freaking idiot. If you cant be top for the spot you are invited for, you are worthless. To make a good product you have to make it for the current (and possibly future) era of players, not for 14 years in the past.

Suck it up like everyone else? What do you suck up heh? Do you smash button #2, not button #1 now or what? Mechanically nothing changed for any other classes. Their rotation priority systems are the same. The dot damage resilience was a good change because dot classes were disgusting in pvp. Anyone who asks to revert that is a moron who would play video games with cheatcodes just to smash through the first 20% of the game then putting it down because its boring.

What about faction balance? You might now that, every single top pve guild in retail currently are horde. Why is that? Isnā€™t it because Blizzard handled the racials poorly for the last 14 years? Do you really want to drag the attention to blood elves and their off-gcd silence without a DR in pvp in a forum thread about ferals? No, I dont think I go down that rabbit holeā€¦

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Ok :clown_face:

ret pala has a higher skill cap with the twisting mechanics. fury requires more skill aswell though not just pressing a powershift macro.

Feral is a good spec in TBC, as tank though, cat is basically useless unless itā€™s the bear not being needed to tank at that moment.

btw blizzard doesnā€™t care about long term with the game, quite evident from classic.

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Already has been changed, along with a bunch of other things in TBC.

Blizzard should revert this change, it was originally an accidenal byproduct of another change they made and it has a negative effect on not just the output of the spec but more importantly how it plays. For all the non-ferals feeling threatened about their position on the DPS meters they really donā€™t have to worry, your warlock/hunter will still outperform ferals so why not let them have fun with the most interesting DPS spec in the game?

If you think ferals will be pressing the same rotation with only a slight pause you donā€™t know how feral DPS operates, it has an impact on how quickly we build up combo points while debuffs and bleeds tick down in TBC and it also has a big impact on mana management which is a big part of playing feral DPS.

Letā€™s have a TBC that is the most fun version of the game it can be. Vanilla classic had multiple tweaks to it that were not in vanilla but helped improve the game, letā€™s have the same for TBC classic.

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Makes feral less toxic to play i enjoy this fix! :slight_smile:

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A disingenuous post made by someone lacking understanding or trying to be misleading.

The ā€œmakes feral DPS less toxicā€ argument comes from people who think this means they wonā€™t have to powershift, but thatā€™s incorrect. You still powershift to maximize damage output, only it feels more clunky and the previous flow of consistently pressing buttons whenever the GCD is over gets broken up by uncomfortable pauses and allows debuffs and bleeds more time to expire without any combo point buildup to replace them.

Regardless, if you donā€™t want to powershift, nobody will force you too unless you choose to associate with people who will. And if your guild is the type that thinks you canā€™t DPS without powershifting then you really shouldnā€™t advocate for the death of powershifting.

Edit: NWM it hit me a bit late that Lysandre is trolling. Sorry for feeding the troll.

Again thanks Blizzard for this fix! :brown_heart:

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xD ok, sure it does xD

Tho, il give you this much, seal twisting Ret does take a lot more skill then fury, so I guess you were 33% correct in your whole statement.

Well, at least one thing I agree with you.

Hi,

Iā€™m happy with the #nochange.
Feral druids have always been crap DPS in Vanilla / TBC. If you want to DPS, go retail.

Thanks.

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On retail cats are same crap. Thanks for blizzards class designers. We not happy, we want #change.

Thanks.

Repeating a lie does not make it true. There is absolutely nothing indicating that it is an accidential byproduct of the change. The change specifies energy users as being affected, and as far as I know powershifting is affected exactly as described by the patch notes. There is an old blue post acknowledging being made aware of the issue, but nothing changed for the remaining 1+ year of TBC after the change. There is absolutely nothing indicating that it was not intended to affect powershifting.

That battle was lost the moment blizzard decided to base TBC classic on 2.4.3. Itā€™s the most boring version of TBC we could get. Now it is time to prevent blizzard from ruining the game even further by attempting to rebalance it by implementing random changes. That includes any changes that further inflates raid dps.

So as an alliance I take it youā€™re taking up the fight to stop palas getting seal of blood then?

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Start a thread about it and Iā€™ll be happy to support you. I would love to see it reverted. It doesnā€™t even serve blizzardā€™s stated purpose for changing it.

All he wants is mages getting double block again, ignore him.

And yet there have been a ton of changes already.

Untrue, well true in part if you were playing a Feral dps, but outside of that, untrue. In Classic they are middle of the pack, and in TBC they are again average to above average (depending on the grp you are in).

But if your argument is they are not Lock or Hunter, then yes, by that logic everyone except those two are crap dps.

Couple of different classes here flaming the need for a Feral change in a very similar way. If I had to guess id say Rich is logging his alts to try and buff up his view point. Wont work, Blizz does not read EU forums. You are here only arguing w/ us. If they make the change or leave it as is it wont be coming because they read what any of us here have said.

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Blizz, we waiting. Still waiting.