Blizzard take actions asap to fix the m+ problems

What has that to do with you? You are free to ignore all of them. Unless you are obsessed to read every of my replies? :roll_eyes:

if its just 1 reply in one random thread sure. But if you spam it in every thread. You eventually get noticed and earn the “rep” of being the M+ hater mascot/clown.

I have my spats with Lillith but at least he tries to argument his views.

I don’t spam it in every thread. I only express it in thread about M+, which is relevant to the threads’ topic. And more than once, I have given the reason of current M+ problems and the possible solutions.

People have different opinions. There are also people saying M+ is great, Class A is dead, or spec B is OP, etc.

Are those people trolls just because they repeat opinions that are different from yours? No. Are those people against forum rules just because they express their opinions? No.

My suggestion to you: stop reading or replying to me, or simply ignore me.

You “express it” in every m+ thread. Otherwise people wouldnt have noticed you that much.

And its the forums, not people’s personal diaries.
Your example “Class X is OP”… ok and? Now what the rest of the forumers are expected to do with that?
How is class X OP. Where its OP. What makes you think its OP. Add some damn substance so people can actually have something to talk about.
Same with your “WoW is dead. Lol! Nobody likes it! hahaha!”. Ok? Source for “nobody likes it” then? let me guess. Its true because Viscent said so. Deal with it :sunglasses: right?

Ofc they have and its always fun to discuss it. hence thats what the “Forums” are. Exchange of opinions.
Just coming here and shouting “X is bad. Deal with it! Dont even dare question me!”. Well expect people will call you out for it.

And my suggestion to you. You are allowed to dislike m+ if you want. But if you are going to make foolish claims such as:

You better be ready to back it up where you got the idea that “M+ is dead” besides its true because I SAID SO!.
Learn the difference between personal opinion and facts. Personal opinion is exactly what it is…an opinion. Can’t be right or wrong. Facts need to proven.
And that reply was presented as a “fact” by you and not as a personal belief or opinion.

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Unhide your post history and prove it :sunglasses:

No. I could take the ironforge potal and fly there. But i do know where the dungeon is at. Keep in mind not everyone knows everything about the game and we have summon stones for a reason, and when we get summoned too often we never have the chance to actually get there ourselves

It has been said before. But again, according to raiderio, SL and DF had around 20 million M+ done per season on average.

WoW’s estimated current sub number is around 5-7 millions. Those players did totally 20 million M+ in a season. So each player did less than 4 per season on average, which is less than 1 per month. (Let’s say each season lasts around 6 months.)

That is pretty dead content.

And that is just on average. In reality, 90% of those runs were done by the same 10% of M+ players. M+ is pretty dead for the vastly majority of player base, and only alive for the minority passionate community.

TWW S1 participation is probably even worse. But it is nothing new. It has been like this for years.

Then if we compare WoW Wotlk subs and now. Then why are we talking just about m+?
EVERYTHING is dead then?

A reduction in activity level doesn’t make it dead. Context and whole playerbase counts are needed.
If anything I can just argue that m+ “died as a loot vendor machine” and the activity drop is due to m+ can no longer be used as the “main gearing path” instead of the activity itself being dead.
May I remind you early SL when gearing via PvP became a “popular” and bgs suddenly became very popular and much done? Let me guess. People suddenly found their inner “PvP soul” early SL right?

I back it up by numbers. The numbers are fact.

You can interpret it as you want. none of my business.

Without a single context behind them. Just plain numbers say you NOTHING if you don’t know the context behind them.

So your own said words:

Same as you. You can also interpret them as much as you want and try to attach “doom&gloom” to every number you see.

Numbers without context are meaningless.

Another way to look at it is 19.5m runs have been completed so far this season. If you assume 30 minutes per run and 5 people in a group thats 2.5 “man” hours per run. Thats 4.9mill hours that people have presumably spent somewhat enjoying the game.

If you think thats “dead” content then I dunno what to say, except lol, stop dooming beki.

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THere hasn´t been “Majority Content” for years in WoW, and M+ is no different, don´t fool yourself.

It´s been extrapolated countless times in every season of the past 6-7 years, literally in every season after legion, and even moreso since the gear upgrade system was introduced in SHadowlands (usually when someone arrogant tries to say there are “Millions of players enjoying M+”), that at pretty much no point in it´s history has M+ ever had anywhere close to even one million players worldwide, mutch less multiple million.

THe season is only half over, and are only ca 500k runs short of the season total for DF s3+4… SO if M+ is “dead” now, what sorcery resurrected if from DF S3+4 so it could die a second time? Becasue at he current rate, even wiuth a reasonable dropoff, @the end of TSS s1 there will be approx 50% mre total runs that in DF 3+4.

And that WITH the HC+M0 rework that effectively took everyone that used to run at most 10s out of the M+ pool entirely

I despise M+, I have absolutely no personal reason to convince people it´s healthy, as I wish it would just die and take the toxic elitists with it. But my personal opinion doesn´t change objective facts or the rules of basic mathematics, and neither does yours :beers:

You should really run them with friends and community and stuff. Playing m+ solely with pugs feels like as smoking is a “healthier” habit.

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As I have stated numerous times, I almost never pug anything… If you look at my key history and raid logs, you will see mostly the exact same names, just as you will see that I mostly haven´t touched M+ at all after week 1 or 2 of the season :beers:

I simply find the entire mode mind numbingly boring and always have… it´s good these days for farming crests and vault slots and nothing else … the PUG community is just an additional reason to dislike it with little bearing on my opinion of the mode itself.

If I want to run Diablo 3 GRs, then I´ll load Diablo 3 and run GRs. Which I also find boring quite fast, but at least there´s spectacle, fireworks and blood splattering all over the place to make it mildly entertaining… IMO Blizzard simply misinterpreted the reason everybody ran GRs, which was not because tehy actually anjoyed them, but rather to farm Primals, not for the actual challenge of pushing. And it´s mostly no different in M+ WoW, most people run @10s for the mythic vault slots (formerly 18s) and then stop pushing, while an even smaller minority keeps pushing either for e-peening or because they actually enjoy it. :wink:

But yes, if you pug M+, esp with the current community, you kind of half-deserve to wish you were having a root canal, instead. :stuck_out_tongue:

I just had a very fun evening doing the Break the Meta with friends on voice, bantering in some low keys :slight_smile:

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