BM needs multi shot and cleave base line

Bm really has a serious short fall in its kit. If you are going to make it so you have to really choose between single and multi-target. Then make it worthwhile. I would be fine with that, but you have classes that essentially do both and better.

What we have now is decent single target with 0 Cleave. Not even the best single target in the game considering we have to ignore every multi target spell just to make us middle of the pack in raid and D tier in M+. Or we can have average cleave with pretty much trash tier single target. It’s not really a great choice.

I am not suggesting we give BM the full fat cleave we currently spec for. However, having some cleave. At roughly 75% damage base line. With talents that bring it up to maybe a bit above where it is now. Would help.

So that when I go into the add phases on Dathea and Raszageth I am not just standing there going. Oh well, I will attack the ONE!!! add and hope for the best as the rest of the people have functional kits. I use the word functional deliberately here. As you have designed a fight around classes having some cleave but fundamentally a single target build. Our talent tree simply does not allow for this at all.

Also make high explosive trap a knock up. It would be so nice to have a useful spell for M+ and certain raid encounters again.

Another quality-of-life improvement would be making the two charges of kill command base line and the alpha predator damage boost as a talent. If you get back to back kill command procs you can end up eating some if you are trying to min max your set bonus. It just feels like, hey you could take explosive shot or steel trap but then your set bonus is worse.

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I don’t think that all classes should be able to do everyting with a single talent tree… Or sth like your dathea example. These are such things that make people want to bring some classes to the event. While you will be targeting one add on the phase, you will be most welcomed to do the most boss damage. Or you just create a group that is balanced between single and aoe. But I do agree that the tree could be done better for bm players.

Then you are back to the old issue of the hybrid tax. By your logic classes that can do aoe and single target should be worse than a player that has chosen to specialise. Wow has done that, and it does not work. You would have to nerf DH warlock and rogue into the ground because their talent trees are far more flexible. Which I think is a bad idea.

I am of the mindset that classes should be able to do a bit of everything and be good at something. Either single, multi or cleave. So going single target should mean I have weaker cleave but I am also not a potatoe just because there are adds at certain points in the fight.

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Seconded. A lot of the other classes have some cleave baked in. BMs seem ST OR MT anything in between seems suboptimal.

Give the power to BM hunter

Every class and every spec should have some form of aoe baseline. One of the reasons why demonology warlock feels so good to use is because you basically always get aoe with your build. And honestly, what the hell do you even do with a pure single target build? There is like one fight in the vault where you can even use it. So yeah, everyone should have aoe capacity baseline and you should be able to enhance it with talents.

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Same for Carve as a Sv player… the node choice between carve and Butchery is useless, nobody gonna take carve in his current form. An another no choice event in the spec tree.
yep we got our bomb. but without carve/ butchery , the gameplay feel very clunky , not talking about Frenzy strikes (“bombe cd reduction when you carve” who was include in carve/butchery before DF) … an another tax talent node "AGAIN ".

Feel the same for Multi shot if you play MM or BM.
Dumb dumb dumb …

just want my base toolkit.

For mm would like that they removed the talent that makes multishot and barrage explosive shot And just give one of these 2 spells a 100% chanche to add explosive shot
It would give mm some aoe

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