Here we go again Nerf Bm hunters I mean why should BM ever get its time to shine?
You didn’t touch Shamans you let Aug be Stier for how many Seasons?
I’m starting to wonder if Blizzard plays their own game or do they only listen to streamers.
You made BM hunters unplayable for a full season and now you are going back on the buffs we were given that would make inviting a BM hunter to a key not a meme.
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I agree, seems like bm hunters will never get their time to shine 
Mby if more people in blizzard was playing hunters they could get buffed, or… damn they will just get new pets and mby make them able to pick flowers or stuff…
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Simple it was overperforming by a Mile and honestly Hunters had a Great Season 1 in tww Defensive wise and dmg output was also great. except they are not popular by the Players itself. and most people cant play it effectivly
Thats gone down the drain now with Dark Ranger being DoA. BM will need to do a lot of damage, talking top tier damage, to be worth it.
And its looking like it will do pretty good damage so im not complaining, but we are back to the start defensive wise…
A BM hunter who got the last items and completed the bis gear is garbage.
There is a trash hunter who is 30 itemlevels behind.
Why doesn’t blizz delete this class?
A 620 level shaman can easily surpass a 640 level BM hunter in dps.
Even if you explain to the players what you are trying to do, no one will waste time on this game.
I do not believe that those who made these regulations neither looked at the forums nor played games.
Even a tank can outperform a hunter with 640 dps.
Those around him say there is something wrong.
He says you can’t play.
When you look at the activity, hunter comes first.
Blizzard is the one who brought this purebred dps class, which has to pass the tank even if it presses a random button.
Are the administrators sure that the game developers know the game?
i have never had a Shaman Outdps for alot i really think u only see trash hunters wich believe me are in the majority. i even see a BM hunter that never used Kill command in the whole M+ Dungeon. 90% of the hunter playerbase is thrash. but hunter in general especially BM is not bad at DPS, if u play it well.
The very good class spec in m+ is the last one in the raid.
Very good class in raid, last place in pvp.
The confusion is so great.
The designers took the game too far from playability.
Auxiliary sites have now created separate talent trees for each location (almost every mob).
What the statistics sites say is completely wrong. They were confused about what to do.
Is there a separate talent for each dungeon?
On live or PTR?
On live here is the numbers Ench shaman 2.2million dps Elemental 2.1million dps BM hunter 1.5million.
These numbers are from Warcraftlogs
So just doing around 700 000 more dps if you play shaman
Based on what you have said it seems to be that you are talking about live.
But to be clear shaman is a very bad class to compare to because it is heavily over performing compared to others
You will see this from every single class but if you are comparing that you are a fool so don’t.
Honestly if u are the guy in M+ doing 1.5 mil u are thrash tbh.
Hmm so yeah you are just delusional then.
If you are not then you will understand this:
But lets look at a log with an Ench shaman doing 99% log (81 for dungeon) vs the number 1 BM hunter in the world in Mists 18
The Ench did 3,025,744.5 dps
the Bm did 2,049,161.1 dps.
So just a casual 1 million dps difference Same dungeon same group so the trend follows.
So if the bm follows close by the shaman on dps the shaman is not good
Everyone knows enh is busted. Question remains though:
- Did the enh get all the pi’s?
- Were the pulls made around enh shamans cds? (They usually are at that key level).
Which logs are you gathering this from to establish this is as some general rule of thumb? As you where I previously quoted you the numbers are different, so something doesn’t add up.
I thought it would be REAL easy.
First is general from +7 to +20 all dungeons from warcraftlogs.
The second one is a specific log.
This is irrelevant as that is the LITERAL number 1 LOG for BM hunter.
Even if the Pi was given to the Ench even i the pulls was made around the Ench this is the literal HIGHEST for BM
A 100% log.
Even if we use the high number on the Ench then it is a 99% log on the Ench for the Key at that key level it is an 81% log for the Ench.
That is my literal point.
The point is because of this where dark here is claiming shaman remember that includes Ench.
I’m not sure how you went on to find this as the number 1 log for BM hunter in terms of damage, but here’s one of many logs where the hunter does more damage than that:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AWwmd1ZVz6TRQChq?fight=22&type=damage-done
In this log the BM hunter does 2.5M dps, which is 25% more than what you said the number 1 log was. It ain’t 3 million of course, and I haven’t got a clue about if they pulled for the hunter to optimize damage or not, but it’s still a log with more damage than what you claim to be the best log for BM hunters.
And you’re right, just not to the extent that you think you are. The best BM hunter in m+ isn’t doing 2M dps, they’re doing more than that.
It’s sort of rare for Enh to outperform by extreme amounts because the vast majority are bad at the spec. In the 0.05% keys that are done, enh does outperform quite substantially though, as those are the best of the best players in the world and the runs are being ran with respect to the shamans cd’s. The damage gap is there, it just isn’t as big as you make it out to be.
So your example is LITEARLLY NOT EVEN THE SAME DUNGEON!!!
And in your example the Ench is doing 63 on the percentile vs the BM doing 100
REAL bad exmaple
Well, you said it was the number one log for BM hunters damage in the world. This serves to disprove that.
The arguement still stands, BM hunters aren’t limited to 2M dps just because your example said they were, I’ve proved this.
No listen up i said
Do you know what that means?
I will explain it means Mists of Tirna Scithe
But this is all irrelevant and a tangent anyway
That is LITERALLY why i used the 7-20 range you are WRONG the damage gap is there 100% of the time.
When factoring in a wide range of keys the dps gap is of 700 000 dps that is what the numbers show.
or are you CLAIMING that ALL dps specs in the game is doing about the same amount of damage?
Geeze, you’re in a mood.
Alright, I’ll play along with the wonky goal posts.
Here’s the best BM log available for mists:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H7jCxFqBaMrTWzvD?fight=5&type=damage-done
It is as you say at 2M dps, but it’s without an aug or a priest to bump up their damage.
If the damage gap were there 100% of the time you’d never see a BM hunter do more damage than an Enh shaman regardless of skill, which we both know isn’t true. You might want to rephrase that to get your point across properly.
I’m agreeing with you that shamans are busted, I’m just showing you that BM hunters aren’t as weak as you make them out to be. Calm down a bit, won’t you?
ok i will try to explain like you are 12
When we factor in the different levels of keys are you with me?
And we factor in the different skill levels are you with me?
There is a massive dps difference between Ench and BM hunter are you with me?
That is all i am saying.
Forget about the spesific numbers if numbers are hard for you
I am not giving numbers from thin air my numbers are taken from 84,955 logs from BM
and 116,225 logs from Ench.
What you are doing is not comparing like for like you are comparing wildly different things.
And there you are showing you do not understand.
No if the gap is there you need someone More skilled on BM to beat a Ench that is ALL it tells you.
You are going to be a worse Ench player in skill if you are getting beaten by a BM hunter
I am not saying BM is weak i am simply giving you data real world data on the numbers.
You are the one thinking that means they are weak.