As a healer i will tell you afflicted is so damn terrible it isn’t funny anymore. There are already so many dispells in the dungeons needed that a lot of afflicted aren’t doable.
Last time i tried to heal an afflicted also didn’t work out, since holy shock, word of glory, light of the martyr is not enough to heal it. There is already a spender in that. Just 1 holy shock should be enough if the mechanic should be healed. We are also already busy keeping our group alive. 3 globals and 1 spender is really too much.
I never argued for or against afflicted? Im just saying, that afflicted has more than 1 viable option to be dealt with, and a majority of classes can help out with it.
So arguing that bolstering is good because it shouldn’t be “dumbed down” for people only to argue from a healer POV for afflicted is silly… Why not expect the same standard in your argument for that one?
Your ‘general terms’ aren’t general either because they’re based on your own personal experience - your point of view.
But I’m done here. A healer who argues that managing all the afflicted alone and keeping the group alive is totally fine clearly has so little actual experience that there’s no point in me continuing the conversation.
Well, every affix is there to make the run harder. So the conclusion would be every affix should get removed… I do think bolstering is a bit annoying, but i also think it is actually one of the better ones. You can for the most part play around it with changing routes and/or focussing the right targets, or set it up by smashing all the small stuff and then shutdown the big guy.
It doesn’t. You just play with at least 4 dispell specs to be safe. Afflicted is invite the spec, not the player.
Hahaha if you’re really that ignorant, that you can’t see the double standard of your own arguments and take it as
“A healer who argues that managing all the afflicted alone and keeping the group alive is totally fine clearly has so little actual experience that there’s no point in me continuing the conversation.” this discussion really is too low for me xD
But hey, goodluck, and next time in a debate, go for the ball not the man. Usually suits the etiquette a bit better Im done.
Again, I dont really understand why you are arguing afflicted with me? I never introduced that affix into the discussion?
It was just stated that affliction was bad (Not worse!) but bad. And I argued against it, saying there are multiple ways of dealing with afflicted and that it can be done with multiple classes.
Ok I saw the conversation went into the comparison and you made a statement about afflicted. So i said something about that. We can forget about it since the topic is about bolstering.
But on topic then; the post you respond on has 4 lines about bolstering and 1 about afflicted, and you ‘respond’ on the one about afflicted
Yes but you’re are arguing afflicted with me like I said it was bad? I wasn’t the one calling it bad, opposite, I said it can be dealt with multiple ways, by multiple people, making it a more dealable affix imo.
So you explaining to me that afflicted is bad for healers, can only result in my poining towards what I already said about it… Calling bolstering good, because people need to cooperate, but afflicted bad because its hard for healers is flawed when the dps can also help with heal / dispells.
But thats because everything else I have responded to in earlier comments. Its like people for some reason just want to have a go at me instead of reading what I write
Yes bolstering can be annoying, and while I may not agree that it should be removed, I do think a rework similar to what they have already done could be beneficial in general terms. I think affixes should be generally dealable without a set class composition, otherwise I fear the general trend from last season will just extend to this, where majority will play the same 5 classes / specs because that gives them the best competitive advantage.
That is human psychology, we can’t just disregard what people have done and will do, and dumb it down to “People just need to not be sheeps!!” yes while that is true in a perfect world, that is not how people react in reality.
No what i am saying is afflicted is bad because ‘half of the playerbase’ will simply not be invited. It isn’t a healer affix since the healers dispell is on cooldown anyway But when you invite the right specs it is a none affix. So i think the whole design of the affix is terrible. But i thought we stopped about afflicted…
I am not calling bolstering good. None of the affixes are good. All are created as a negative to the normal dungeon. I am calling bolstering one of the better ones. So in comparison to the others.
Bolstering is one that basically does not need any specific class composition at all. Which makes it again a way better affix than a lot of others.
Why wouldn’t “half of the playerbase” not be invited to dungeons when 8 out of 12 classes can deal with afflicted? 2 of the 4 classes that can’t deal with it has tank options so that would still be viable… Leaving what… Rogues and hunters left that doesn’t serve a purpose? So I would call that a false statement
Again would disagree that it doesn’t require any specific class comp… If you want to time your higher keys you would need specs that can effectively CC the mobs in synergy to deal with them. Otherwise your progress would be too slow to time the key. But your argument for bolstering being the “better” one, actually does apply to afflicted as again, 8 out of the 12 classes can deal with it, and additionally 2 of the 4 that can’t has a tank option leaving really 2 out of 12 classes “useless” in that week
I thought it was 7 out of 13, but fair when it is 8 out of 12. Then we leave 33% out. that is still not a good record, imo.
And you do not need any specific comp because 13 out of 12 specs do have some kind of cc. it doesnt matter which 5 specs you bring when you bring tank healer 3 dps. There will be CC in there.
Ah forgot warlocks, but still 8 out of 13 CLASSES, not even specs. So here you also have to factor in the two tanks in warrior and DH, and since theres 1-2 afflicted you dont need 5 classes that can deal with it. So again, I don’t really see your “half the player base wouldn’t get invited” as a serious statement. You’re argument is based around the fact that people will see a DH tank and go “Nope, its afflicted week.” which is just silly…
And what? 13 out of 12 specs? Somethings wrong with your math here.
And you are doing the exact same thing… You make an argument for bolstering that you dont uphold in afflicted… why? You pretend that you need 5 people to deal with afflicted when you only need 2, but that doesn’t apply to bolstering?
Like Im sorry but the amount of double standards in these arguments are just laughable at this point xD I get its a personal preference, but at least be consistent in the arguments for or against…
That is the thing with afflicted. You need more than 2 since the healer can’t and 1 can be dead. Just have at least 4 out of 5 in your group to be safe and the affix does not exist. I do not understand how you want to depend on the healer on this affix.
You claimed it are 12 classes, while it are 13. Every class has CC. When we get to all the specs (38?) you maybe find 2 specs without cc. But i doubt you go with 5 disc priests in an M+ dungeons. For bolstering you can not give 1 group composition that is not able to handle that affix while tons of group compositions cant deal with afflicted.
Wait what, so you’re already ruling out the healer and assume 1 player is dead + you assume afflicted spawns always 2 and not 1… If thats how we argue then its gonna be a hard time xD And I wont entertain that.
Instead of putting words in my mouth, and arguing against something I never said, I challenge you to say where I argued bolstering can only be done by certain comps. Go on.
Its so weird to me that you people are claiming so many weird stuff… “I do not understand how you want to depend on the healer on this affix.” I never said that… I literally said 8 out of the 13 classes can help, and still you’re saying this? xD Like come on man… This is getting stupid at this point…
You are aware we healers have this ability not only for afflicted bounded, right? We press it every dungeon quite a lot of times already without afflicted. Because when we don’t that is or a wipe or a death.
And yes you have to build for 2 afflicted since you can not depend on only spawning 1. Going in a dungeon for 30 minutes you can not just say “oh it will only spawn maybe 1”.
8 out of 13 classes is more than 1 third of the playerbase. That are a lot of people.
Yes… But I never said healers should ALWAYS dispel… It can be healed too? And again… others can help?
And its a sorry to say silly argument that you assume that 2 will spawn, 1 will be dead, healer cant press dispel or heal, therefor there needs to be 3 others in the group. You are completely taking out the healer of the equation?
You count the healer in those 4 you need. Meaning you assume the healer will help. So you would only need 2 others totalling 3. not 4. Because if 1 dies, and 2 spawn, you are still 2 people that can deal with it.
And no, I’m not saying you should always assume 1… But what you are doing is beyond logic… You are saying “Healer can’t dispel, 1 player will be dead, and 2 will spawn, therefor I need in my group 4 people that can deal with it, but at the same time, the healer shouldn’t” Thats weird…
No its not? And heres why:
That would assume distribution is equally spread, which it isn’t. That simply means its more than 1 third of the available classes.
You are again forgetting that 2 out of the 5 classes can play tanks. So its by your logic only 3 classes that are completely useless in a afflicted week. And if we factor in your weird logic of “I need 4 out of 5 to deal with it”, you can fit those last 3 classes into the last spot.
I have said what i wanted to say, which is my oppinion created out of my experiences. When everything is silly to you then everything is silly to you. And you are allowed to have your oppinion too. Not worth the effort to reply on this ridicilous post full assumptions and clearly ignoring everything i said.
Bro you are literally doing the same?.. You are arguing against me saying I said something I never said… So instead of doing that, actually engage in the discussion… Again as I said the other person, go after the ball instead of the person
The affixes are the worst thing who makes the dungeons nightmare for players . please remove them i dont know how its hard to assign a team to listen to players feedbacks.
Im done.
