Yet all threads are about 58 boost from blizzard 
funny
i don’t want free to play wow cause there will be so much trash in this game after that it will be not playable anymore
I highly doubt that.
Goldsellers are limited by their equipment, how many instances can i run simultaneously. In order for goldselling to be profitable, the following has to happen
Income - Expenses (Equipment + Labor cost + account startup money + advertisement + Miscellaneous ) = Profit
Boost viability = expenses / Profit < Profit per hour * Leveling time
Now lets assume that you spend 400 euro’s getting your system and the system keeps running for 2 years 15 euro for account (monthly), you pay 5 Euro’s for websites monthly, spend one hour a day on bot maintenance (10 euro hourly fee) and 3 hours a day distributing the gold (10 euro hourly fee) and 100 Euro yearly on miscellaneous costs
Daily you would have:
400/730 = 0.54 Euro (Equipment)
(1512)/365 = 0.49 Euro (Subscription)
(512)/365 = 0.16 Euro (websites)
(100/365) = 0.27 Euro (misceleanous)
10 Euro (maintenance)
30 Euro (Transactions)
Total 41.46 Euro Daily on expenses.
For easy calculating your bots make 50 G per hour and you can run 7 days a week for 23 hours per day per bot (maintenance and bot handling)
Per day per bot you would have a gold income of 1150 Gold
Say your system is able to manage 10 bots for 11.500 gold a day
And your price is 5 euro for 1k gold (don’t know what the real price is but this would be an acceptable price to me)
This would leave you with 16.04 euro per day profit.
IF we assume that the price for the boost is going to be the same as for retail at 60 Euro’s then the time to level to 58 should be longer then 60/profit in order to make boost appealing to botters.
In the above scenario it would take 3.7 days of /played to reach 58.
It would seem to me that buying a boost as a botter is not very appealing, cause i do believe that botters will be able to reach lvl 58 way before 3.7 days of /played
Its more like 25 Euro…(just checked a well populated server (Venoxis Horde) Even thou the way you calculate it is not completly wrong and it is at some point even reasonable, the numbers make a big difference here. And you could see this topic from two sides. Yours is a new setup for farming but there are way more allrdy existing setups.
On top of that, you calculate the price and made an effort to proof a point and you dont even know the real price of gold ? Do you think it is resonable to do that ? What is the point in that, just to be right ?( Iam just guessing )
Ill go over a proper way of calculation the dmg it will do( its ripped off from MadseasonShow): Assuming 10k bots ( lets face it there are WAY more)
1-58 will take kinda 200hrs (bots dont lvl fast)
They will make at least 1g/hr while lvling. ( 2 million hours of botting = 2 million gold)
Well a boost is 0 hrs, right ?
He thinks a bot makes 100g/hr (I think its a bit less, but just as an example, even with only 50g/hr it would be devastating)
Thats like 200 million gold from 2 million hours of botting ( just times 100)
15Euro / per 1000g is the price ( that is actually a good estimate when the gold has less value in TBC)
This is then 30000 Euro in if they have to lvl and it would be 3000000 if those bots where straight lvl 58. ( ok those number could be a bit high, but the point is the difference BECAUSE of the lvling, not the real profit after that, wich would be bad anyways).
Lets say the boost is like 40 Euro, thats a price of 400000 for 10k bots.
3000000 - 400000 = 2600000 euro profit ( i dont include the subfee, because both have to pay it ).
So in the lvlprocess the difference is 30000 vs 2600000.
2600000:30000= 87 ( rounded up from 86,6666) so its 87 times the difference. Thats alot of money right ? Even if you had lower values in gold or the g/hr from those bots it would be terrible anyway.
And this is just ONE reason boosting is bad there a plenty more.
#spottheboost
p.s: is it reasonable to debate if botting is worth it ? IT IS! If not we wouldnt even talking about it. Its about how much dmg a boost will do, nothing more nothing less.
This is incorrect, there are bots for ZF, and ZG and nearly every other boosted instance, botters will have access to them for free since that will be one way to make gold once a bot gets banned the’ll temporarily have to give up one of those spots and only minimally affect their gold per hour.
If you assume that a bot makes 100G/h and you need to get your bot up to speed you will have (100+0)/2 * inefficiency factor (lets assume while leveling you have 25% of efficiency of a normal bot in goldmaking ) you would still have about 12.5 G per hour over the leveling period.
So you would have 100-12.5 G = 87G / H for expenses.
if we assume 15 Euro per 1000 G
it takes 11.5 hours to get that.
20 Euro boost → if leveling takes longer then 15 hours its advantageous
40 Euro boost → if leveling takes longer then 31 hours its advantageous
60 Euro boost → if leveling takes longer then 46 Hours its advantageous
Now i don’t think 15 euro per 1000 G is a reasonable price in tbc, it would mean that epic flying would cost 75 Euro’s anything above 20 Euro’s would scare of customers, so the’ll have to drive the price down to that. Wich would mean you would have to spend more 172 hours on leveling before you boost would be advantageous if its 60 Euro or 116 hours (4.8 days) for 40 Euro’s
And this is not factoring in the risk factor of buying a boost and then getting banned for botting
ok thats your opinion, maybe you come down from fairyland and look up prices yourself. I just did its 25 euro for 1k gold right now… All this talk about that while it is clear that botting IS an issue because its worth it. And that boosting will make it worse, because the biggest downtime is having to lvl the bot. maybe the numbers are not 100% on point, it is just an example that the situation will get worse than it is. Dosent matter if it 30 times, 50 times or 87 times worse. Your made up numberstuff does not change that ma dude.
Where do you get that from? is there any related data to it? Or does it just feel right to you ?
Dont you see that it doesnt make any difference at all? Botting is worth it and people are willing to buy gold to skip stuff. Man… there are storys of people buying weopons in diablo 3 for 2k USD or a unique sword in another MMORPG for 14k USD. That is the reason people have now 20k gold to spend it on GDKP and you think they would not buy that for 75 euro ? While typing that i get the feeling of getting trolled reel guud 
You’re delusional if you think non-VR games will become obsolete.
This is coming from a Valve Index owner.
Obsolete in the sense that no one will play nonVR games? No, certainly not.
Obsolete in the sense that VR games will be the norm, and the industry will focus on them? Absolutely.
Its simple history repeats itself, short sighted idiots will ofc want the boost and that will in turn kill the game faster just as it did before.
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You are so uninformed that it’s unreal.
- Botters usually buy a virtual machine to bot, and don’t buy a whole new computer for every other bot they run. They pay 15-20 USD per month to run a virtual machine to run up to 10 bots at once on that virtual machine that is located somewhere else, and spoof their IPs and MAC addresses.
- There is no expense for character equipment because a lot of them do pickpocketing for botting, which requires 0 gear at all, you can basically bot totally naked all the same.
- They use russian accounts in EU and argentinian accounts in the US and buy bulk amounts of accounts for 1/5th the normal price. Also, to avoid paying any extra money, they just make new accounts under the same battle.net account.
If you didn’t know, when they get banned, only the individual wow account under their battle.net account gets banned, not all of them. And they can run 10 bots under the same battle.net account simultaneously. - Since they are mostly inside the instances, them getting banned is very slim because like 90%+ of account bans result from player reports, and thanks to this amazing company, you can’t report a player unless you target them and right click(from /who list for example).
- There is a vendor in BRD so the bot sells the stuff he gets from pickpocketing directly to the vendor. There is no need whatsoever to go outside the dungeon for days unless he transfers the gold to another character/buyer etc.
- 1k euros is 21euros at the cheapest seller on the market right now.
- No bot can reach level 58 in 3 days played. That’s simply ridicilous and all the botters are laughing their bottoms off at that claim. That is Jokerd levelling you’re talking about there.
More like 8-9 days played. They don’t quest and only grind mobs, and they can’t aoe grind. Usually they have gankers/campers nagging them, etc. It is still a fuss to level up for a botter.
With the boost, they will be able to profit ten times more, get rid of all the hassle with reports/gankers etc. and go immediately to start printing gold. To be honest with you, with this 58 boost, it is actually really tempting to start botting and make a fortune out of it. But I’d rather stick to my principles as a nostalgic rose-tinted googles boomer classic Andy.
final note: I really don’t care about this game anymore tbh, this community doesn’t deserve a good game.
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You just took the first google link. 21 is not the cheapest, by far.
well i mean you’re that same guy who continuously cried and moaned about having to get world buffs for raids, and even advocated that blizzard removed them so that you could laze off and not be outdone by the people who weren’t lazy and got their buffs. im not surprised you are pro-boost, but its quite ironic that you have the gall to call other people egotistical.
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in kara I’m not playing classic content am i?
Technically Karazhan is in Deadwind Pass in Eastern Kingdoms which is outside Outland in the old world of Azeroth and is already in the game, just inaccessible, so yeah in a sense you would be playing classic content if you were raiding in Karazhan.
You seem to have some expertise when it comes to botting.
How did you get this? Is there something you are not telling us? I bet you have some (pickpocket) bots running yourself.
Maybe you should attack his ideas/reasonings instead of him as a person.
Yea that’s not how it works though. Raiding kara you’re not playing classic content.
Euhjjh but your race/class existed in classic so theoretically you are playing a classic character… Come on dude.
Sorry, do you mean that if someone cba to search through months and months of forum posts about something then that something did not even exist?
No, dude, you can’t turn it upside down and get away with it. It was Blizzard who changed the rules in the first place, because there was no boost in original TBC and they decided to introduce it for classic TBC. So we are complaining because Blizzard made a change that we believe might hurt the game, not because we want to change the game for our personal convenience, which is what you are implying with your comment.
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Pretty sure I just did. 
Which they get to do, because, ya know, they own the game.
I didn’t imply anything towards what reason people may have for complaining.
I pointed out that everyone, including Blizzard, has the right to demand changes.
Whether they will be implemented or not, its up to Blizz.