Bots are already flooding the AH

Community General Discussion
21

You do realize theres plenty of people out there who pay game time by buying wow tokens with gold right? Or people who want to make some gold before bots absolutely destroy the market price so they can actually keep buying stuff like flasks trough the expansion.

You dont need to be a finance simulator for that. Because people farming mats are not the same people playing stock market on the AH to make gold.

Not everyone is like you and throws real life money at the game to buy wow tokens if they need gold. People actually also need to sell you that gold for the token.

22

he posted it because i asked to because i wanted to see how it looks like right now. He wasnt posting it as proof

2 Likes
23

In a way I hear you but like Chris Metzen said during the announcement 9 months ago:
“Let me give you a little something to chew on”

We all know that with every launch prices are sky-high in the beginning making it very easy to farm tons and tons of gold.
I guess you did not paid for the EA but you said you have plenty of time to game.
I also could say that way in advance the prices of the game are known.
With the opportunity to play a few days earlier and make tons of gold lets throw in the WoW tokens.

At the moment I write this (and I bought EA) I am sitting on around 1.2 million of gold, I made on one character with farming (no bots) and questing.
I just checked and the price of a WoW token is 350K-ish.
That means I can afford myself now 3 months of game time or subscription time or however you would want to call it.
Throw in the extra goodies you get from buying the extra’s and it is still money well spend if you ask me.

People can think it is unfair, but sometimes thinking things thru first and see how you can get the maximum out of it can show hidden ideas people not thought about.

24

Maybe not irl money for me or you or rest of the players but certainly irl money for blizzard and bots and is the reason they do nothing. if you want to stay passive and do nothing ppl to help others start seeing that blizzard is using them to get tons of cash while they offer nothing back not evet quality of somekind in the game. wow used to be great even with bots with many thinks to do even in SL which was a huuuuuuuuuge disapointment. and now all influencers praised DF what a huge comeback it was and the only thing it had to offer was raid and m+ as ALL PREVIOUS EXPASIONS and nothing else (up to legion). And if you say that feast or the assult or the rift is content dude you have no idea what content in a game is.

25

everything at the start of an expansion is expensive but thats not the issue we are talking here. that thing will never change with or without bots and multiboxers

26

I would say wow could does hold financial value even irl, since you can use it to get blizzard balance and game time and thus purchase real products with it.

At some point years ago there even were messages that the Venezuelan currency was worth less than wow gold

27

He did it because he thought it furthered the point he made in the OP.

Think further than the tip of your nose.

28

i’m talking about wow token. you thing thing that most of players that buy token with gold are actual players? let me tell you a small secret. players buy token for gold to play the game. thats 20 euro… 7 euro cap from normal price. now bots buy the token with the billions of gold they make from selling in AH. i don’t say that actual players don’t buy but they are nothing in numbers and quantities bots buy. so lets say now that not only you pay the sub in the game but also you pay more than double for the token (20 euro) to buy some gold for the game you have already bought AND pay a sub

29

See, here is the thing you don’t understand.

Bots gather materials and sell them in masses for cheap. Players then can buy materials for cheap to make stuff in more quantity, selling it for more cheap.

More materials → More (consumable) items → Less pricy → More for everyone needing it

That aside, there are more than enough people hating the WoW token and wanting it removed so players can’t buy gold. Ok then, how do you pay your sub then if WoW token is gone?

People forget, that the WoW token is bought with real money as a fee, then sold on the AH for the current gold value of the global WoW market, then that token is bought by the player wanting game time and said players gold gets sent to the play who sold the token.

If either side of that system would stop working, the entire benefit collapses.

What the real issue here is, that people are either too poor, too greedy or too lazy to work for their sub actually.

Person A wants to earn their sub via gold. Person B wants sub fee being gone. Person C spends too much money on unnecessary things IRL due to lack of self-control, so Person C has no money to pay a basic sub fee not more expensive than the average Netflix sub.

I for example pay 4-5 subs per month.

  • WoW
  • Netflix
  • Amazon Prime
  • Credit Institute (family related reasons)

Yet somehow people like Player C complain “WoW is too expensive” when all that is at fault is both their bad money management and their countries economy.

As I have said before, Video Games, especially MMORPGs are luxury goods. If you can’t afford them, don’t buy them. It’s that simple. People have been born and grown up without video games, you don’t need them to be happy.

If people see WoW too important in their life and either spend all their money on it or have issues putting money aside for it, that’s again a sign of lack of self-control.

I need a new wrist watch IRL. I have the money each month to buy me a Rolex. Doesn’t mean I ever would or should. Because I have self-control when it comes to spending money.

Funny that you say that, because I bought maybe like 2 WoW tokens over the course of like 5-6 years.

I don’t use my gold for anything else but repairing my gear.

30

blizzard monetize that. they see the prices etc and increase or decrease the free gold game gives with activities.

31

Yes and you need to understand some people want to make gold without wow being a full time job. Less pricy also means people wanting to make gold by farming mats basicly have to work longer to make gold to pay for their subscription or rare drops/mounts they want to buy.

In the beginning of DF you could make some nice gold if you farmed alot. A few months after launch it pretty much felt like a full time job to make enough gold trough farming mats to buy subscription. And now even the chance to earn gold early in the expansions gets shat on by whales and bots. Just because they added an unneccesary paywall to play the game on launch

I know they are luxary goods, its something i say myself about this stuff. However stuff like EA is just absolutely terrible in a game with a player driven economy. Especially a bad idea . It literally servers no purpose but top try to squeeze some money out of people who want to play it in the weekend.

clearly i am going to speak up if they are going to put advantages behind a paywall

32

OR they could just work 2h IRL and pay their sub from that. At least in most EU countries the minimum wage is between 10-12€, exception maybe countries like Estonia with 5€ per hour or so. In that case you could work 6h and pay the sub for 2 months.

But yeah, working for the things you want is apparently “not an option” regarding IRL and WoW.

Maybe because you aren’t meant to pay your sub via gold really?

Doing so loses Blizzard more money than you paying outright for it. Because not everyone has a high demand for gold. But everyone has a mandatory demand for game time.

The WoW token costs IRL 20€ and gives you 30 days game time if you buy it with gold.

2 Months of Sub costs you 25,98€.

Now, do the math what gives you MORE gametime. Grinding several days in WoW for gold to pay for 1 month or working a few hours IRL and buying you minimum 2 months of gametime.

People who can do the math know what benefits them more in the long run.

You aren’t supposed to pay your sub every month with gold just by playing, hence getting gold is so hard. You are supposed to occassionally buy a WoW token with gold for some extra free gametime.

But for some people, that truth is something they reject.

33

You are really good at doing math you know… 1 month is 20 euro (token price)… 2 months is 40 (again token price) and at blizz store 2 months 25.98.
So its 40 from token and 26 normal… 14 euro more with tokens that is more than a month loss for players or 14 EXTRA for blizzard

34

99% of the people would never farm as hard as the people controlling the market.
EA had next to nothing to do with this.

35

Yep, i did answer to people saying that I will lose gold when i come buy their mats later, i told them that bots will stomp prices over weekend to the official launch. This is the reality sadly. There will also be long time before really have to make any crafted gear either as I wont need them before content to push, about 3 weeks time still for prices to drop before really have to do anything from ah.

36

Unfortunately it has. Its not only the materials but imagine all these hundreds of thousant of bot paying 50€ instead of 90€ they HAD to pay now for EA. Its all about math these days. Maximum profit

37

During early access:

  • You can get to level 80 in under a day
  • There is no mythic or even heroic dungeons
  • There are loads of nodes with fast respawns.

Logic here states that as people can’t do heroic or mythic dungeons, they are spending time on their professions, since they sure aren’t spending more than a few hours levelling.

Yet somehow, people always come to blame bots.

38

It’s not EA bots but AH players.

The same that play the AH in DF. They buy the herbs, minerals and hides and try to resell them for ludicrous prices.

39

nice that means cheap materials for my crafts

1 Like
40

Wait is the AH region wide like all EU server are AH connected ? :dracthyr_lulmao:

Omg the quantity of items