Bring back dungeon corpse runs

Now, that’s a great response and I actually agree with you almost on everything. :wink:

I really like the M+ system as a whole and as you mentioned there is plenty of room for improvements so I don’t think they need to burn anything and I don’t think it’s a bad system, they just need to work on it more and take page of your brain and do it!

I disagree with the OP about socialism and corpse running, I mean, I’m socializing all the time regardless to whether I do M+ with my friends or pugs, we have discord, ts and other channels to communicate so the game isn’t the issue but plain and simple the issue is with people, it’s easy to blame the game for something you don’t do.

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I can say with certainty that without M+ I wouldn’t play this game anymore, and I’m pretty sure the same applies to the people I do M+ with. It’s varied (by WoW standards) and it’s also social. Much more social than raids. In my view, M+ was the single best addition to WoW.

You can run a keystone of your choice, even spam it, if you use the group tool. If you run with a regular group, there is usually a selection of keys available.

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The fact that you wouldn’t play this game without a system that does not respect a single advertised design tenet or feature of World of Warcraft says a lot about the state of the game.

I quite frequently find that every key in a group is undoable it undesirable, so yeah…

Your argument to just use the group finder to find keys really highlights the absurdly of it all. Instead of engaging in a seamless world of beauty and danger where we find allies and friends to run both hard and easy content of our choosing, your argument is that we should be be going around what is effectively a server browser, as if we’re playing Counter-Strike or Warcraft 3 or something. It’s ridiculous.

But nevertheless I understand your position. Without M+ the game offers nothing for smaller groups. Now, my argument is that it should.

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Want to socialize during instance - do it with guild. Want to cool after wipe? Just wait before engaging boss, take a break you all agree to. Game itself does not force you to rush like crazy.
I’d rather have the option to quickle re-engage the encounter or chill for a moment and discuss with teammates what was the problem, rather than being forces to run to corpse.

What is it with people trying to solve “social problems” with software.
Seriously trying to have the game force something upon your groups… I don’t lack any social interaction in any of the groups I play with. If I want a “silent” quick run I play random, if I want to socialise abit more I play with my guild or other friends.

Why would you want to force random people to interact if they maybe don’t even want to? If you are nice during runs you will find new friends every now and then even in the most random pugs ever. There is no need for minute long runs back to the instance. Heck cocidering todays toxicity people would probably outrage and blame every run corpserun on either heal or tank like mad… I am afraid long corpse runs would probably result in even more croups ending mid run than what already happens…

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Why should LFR people not run?

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Because they are allready enough “special”.

They would have to actually do something then :rofl:

I fear that downtime would be used to kick the person that died or caused the death and replace them rather than discuss the tactics to be honest.

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Long downtime, esp. repeated down time to constantly wiping or just dying often will lead to arguments, hate. That and kicks like you pointed out. It’s a bad design choice from a very old game.

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In BFA today it would serve a great purpose of intentionally dying and skipping trash packs for free without Soulstones etc, so , obviously, no

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ay shtup, I already have to run to dungeon for M+ and you want me to run to my corpse if I will die?

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Go play classic, you will get tired of running 24/7

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And yes Vanilla had no MYTHIC dungeons

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This, a thousand times.

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Yea it was tough but I like this checkpoint system. My time is my money, and I don’t like to be in raid for 4 hours or dungeon over an hour .

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Normal and Heroic Pugs would be a disaster even more that now with kicking .

That reminds me, I haven’t had to eat as warrior since ages. Have been able to regen my health easy without any food.

Good for you champ !!

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