Bring back Legion Shadow Priest!

For me, Legion had some of the best specs and for many they have always been trying to catch back up in terms of fun and feel for a class.

Legion Shadow priest was definitely one of those specs, it has gone though multiple iterations and blue has never been happy themselves with how it plays.

What made it so fun? fighting the ever demise of falling out of void form due to insanity drain. The class was well balanced for Raiding, mostly in single target boss encounter or even with add uptime which was not long enough for the dots to go out of control. and ofcourse, haste haste haste!

Problem then, mythic+ came to the scene and shadow just could not perform as it was a ramping spec and the ramp was approximately 45 seconds and maxing out at 60 seconds, without including the talent for decay of stacks lingering insanity… (everything dead and time to start again)

This meant that it could never perform, you would drop out of voidform and have to restart the rotation and never maxing your damage and having a tilted rotation in the next pull, this would be the same problem today. for example you take a big pull, everbloom on a 25 fort key. Shadow would still be ramping as the trash would be dead within 50 seconds or so.

I really think that Blue had a great spec, rather than ditching it, they should have adapted it to support m+ content.

My suggestion on a wish list.

Legion rotation was 60 seconds, you would work really hard to get to that, void torrent, mind mender had a 60 second CD. so you needed to have a 60 second rotation for it to fall back inline.

My suggestion would be to drop this to a 45 second rotation, not hard to add a talent “Mind benber and VT 15 second reduction” I also think it should be hard to get to 45 stacks, same as getting to 60 in legion. more possible with more adds.

Back in legion, you gained I think 1% haste, mastery and crit for every stack. I would buff that to 1.3% (the haste playstyle and fast rotation is what made it fun) I would cap the stacks to 45! you can stay in voidform longer but no more buffs after 45.

the next problem would be dots and the damage profile. They should be nerfed and easily spreadable. Today even in its current form shadow is frustrating to get eveything dotted. I think void bolt should spread all dots and also extended duration when cast. meaning you only apply dots once. Psycic Link should be removed and that would mean you can then buff single target damage abilities. I still think the dots should do strong damage, maybe 30% of todays strength and by the time you ramped in voidform they would once again be doing higher damage. But I dont think the dot manual spread play works so well today.

I would like to see the AOE profile being focused on Shadow apparitions. it so very fun today, watching a million come out of you. and ofcourse dots dealing a good portion to. finally I think void eruption is epic to see when playing, for example maybe nerfing it some, but every 5 voidbolts it cast again. this isnt about numbers, more fun!

We used to have a talent “surrender to madness” this would fix another issue. movement! I think that should be passive, can cast whilst moving all of the time, the challenge is in the rotation, having to move from a mechanic meant you would drop out of voidform above 40 stacks in legion.

finally, having to restart each pull, unfortunatly the game bugs out a lot when dropping combat, often taking to long, even 2 seconds would mean you drop out of voidform… therefor, you should have a spell to pause time, 99% damage reduction so it cannot be abused. insanity is paused and mindbender paused if it has been cast. going into combat, you next spell generating 50 insanity (so you can start casting again) and when casting you are unpaused. hence being able to go into the next pack sometimes ramped/

For me shadow should be a chaotic spec, just a mess everywhere. tendralls being spawned, apparitions etc.

1st talent in the tree, could be voidform, you choose between todays void form (2min cd etc) and old void form where you drain insanity and play legion. 2nd talent would be if todays voidform you can then take devouring plague, legions voidform, surrender to madness. removing devouring plague as before.

What could a CD be, for example, 3 minutes - next time you enter void form you start with maximum stacks, but your insanity drains 50% quicker, you have the aura power infusion throughout voidform,"

Just my thoughts, not sure anyone agrees with me, but wanted to share. Did anyone have a shadow priest expension where they thought it was better than legion?

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Change it completley too legion is a big problem but with the new talent systhem they can bring part of it back maybe for ST

I barley cant remeber how it plays in legion only that it got problems if the fight are not fitting

I like the WoD Shadow with the 3 orbs or shadow raven with a glyph that cycle arround you and was the indector for your resource

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Honestly, i’ve been saying this too my friends, nothing has been more enjoyable than Legion Shadow-priest, not even the STM (Surrender To Madness) version, but just the drug addled frenzy induced trying to stay insane for as long as possible, When void torrent bought you 3 invaluable seconds to extend your insanity window because mindblast just procced during the channel. it was the most fun i’ve ever had in this game, where these days void eruption just kinda feels like a shotgun and then you have better mobility for a while which is really just boring, i was actually hoping with the reformation of the talent tree’s to see some kindof re-introduction to that style of play. it was never meant to be super AoE potential when that was played, so shouldn’t interfere with M+ builds, and respeccing being easier than ever also enforces that it’s okay to have wildly diffrent playstyles between M+/Pvp/Raiding etc. so why not re-introduce this fantastic gameplay. i second your desire to bring it back, i do not share your vision about more ease in dotspreading, that bit doesn’t really make sense to me personally.

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great and thanks for also putting your views forward.

You said you don’t understand about the dot spreading. I think it was Publik who said and I quite “dots should either be easily spread and not so powerful or they should be powerful and not easy to spread”. Right now we are in between. which kinda sucks.

I don’t think our dots should go away as I think it make a good aoe profile, that with apparitions. But I think it shouldn’t be a main focus of the role. That would mean its uncapped AOE, yeah and whats wrong with that, look at destruction lock and other classes that have it. as the dots wouldn’t be the highest DPS it shouldn’t be a problem, you can cap other AOE profile abilities, such as mind benders swipe, void eruption and there would be no psychic link.

Then I guess, one would say the role is to tunneled into a playstyle. I would point at specs like outlaw rogue that just press bladeflurry. BM hunters who maintain beast cleave etc etc.

I would also compare boomkin druid, pressing sunfire and all adds have the dot. plus an easy way to spread moonfire. There rotation is quite basic, dot up and starfire until you have enough resources for starfall.

Rotations for most classes in AOE are actually basic when you look a little closes at them. I would see Spriest in Legion form as fitting the purpose, main focus as mentioned staying in void form, and ramping you aoe up with dots etc.

I thought I would try playing shadow again, which I have done the past few nights, only farming 18 keys for gear. but there are alot of frustrations in its current state.

Basically, you run in and try to stay with the tank so you don’t get out of range, start casting millions of vampiric touch. until you have around 8 adds left withiout dots and press shadow crash. you then pop cds and hope you do damage before everything is dead. I think the playstyle is abit meh… running in and dotting for ever. its more fun on bosses as you can do things. The cds are annoying. Void eruption doesn’t feel so powerful and ascension is good as a 1 minute cd for trash. but there is little going on with the spec.

I miss woltk sp, simple and clean, and alot of dmg without stupid spenders mecanics :upside_down_face:

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Cata priest last season was the best no CDS just go at it with wings.

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