one of the reasons people dont have anything to do in the game is because they dont have any reason to hunt for better gear because they are BIS since the first month of the patch.
the game NEED WF/TF to allow players to have a chance to get something even better then their BIS.
maybe people will stop leave because they have nothing to do…
the only downside is that all those who religiously follow streamers will cry even more.
Yeah, it provided good motivation to do content again which now only gives you a reward you already have (hence you can just avoid it). I don’t undestand why people had to treat WF/TF gear as “standard” - it was a nice upgrade; a nice possibilitiy to have - on top of the standard, which is now just gone.
Yeah, I think they have created an odd situation where the people they wanted to slow down are finished and the rest of us can’t be bothered with the grindy mess they made in the attempt to slow those people down.
SL having bad gearing is completely separate to the removal of Titanforging.
It’s like taking your car to a mechanic because the AC doesn’t work, the mechanic fixes the AC but then the engine happens to stop running the following week, so you ask the mechanic to break the AC again because the engine was fine before it was fixed .
TF sucked, it didn’t motivate me to do lower level content it just demotivated me to progress higher, I was a guild raider up until Legion and then I just stopped.
These days I don’t raid because it’s just overly mechanic heavy, pugging sucks and the loot is scarce. Unrelated to RNG item level rerolls.
In fact the day Titanforging hit HFC I remember making a forum thread saying these drops are way too common and it’s made heroic HFC pointless.
Absolutely not.
^^ This
I don’t ever want to see Titanforging or Corruption in the game again.
Titanforging could work just fine in tandem with valor (ie. tf is just free valor upgrades), and make it so valor works on all pve gear, even stuff from world quests.
Also they should reintroduce the bonus rolls, even make it just 1 but it guarantees a piece.
Valor has a cap which is gated behind achievements and only applies to Mythic plus gear. TF was russian roulette on every drop. It made loot incredibly unrewarding.
The issue in SL is lack of loot drops.
And quite frankly, those caps shouldn’t exists save for the upper floor. Loot now is in a situation of “Win more” where those already good at the game can just rush through everything, while those not so good have to jump through hurdles of ilvl checks to get slightly better gear to pass the next check.
Remove the limits and make it so lower level content gives less valor that higher level content. Make it also more costly to upgrade a piece from lower level content to max than a higher level one.
This way there is more ways to pass the ilvl hurdles for everyone that puts time into the game, than to bash their head at enrage timers and questionable drop-rates.
I preferred the old Valor system and no Conquest style weekly cap but I still NEVER want to see TF again.
No TF, WF !! Thanks.
YES! Like corruptions made us run heroic/normal raids for hope of Infinite Stars!
NO, Obviously.
The lack of drops is how they keep you pulling the lever on the slot machine. Previously that was TF. They want you pulling the lever, lack of drops is a consequence of TF removal. If they increase drops now there will be another frustration put in place to keep you pulling that lever.
The question really is whether for most people TF was actually worse than what is there now? ( and of course if this loot change will lose or gain subs ).
They went over board dialling back gear drops IMO. They just need to tweak that and not have gimmicks like TF.
Though, got to say that the stat corruptions were fun.
Should have been how enchanting actually worked…
Unfortunately even after the loot un-nerf, the drop-rate is still atrocious. It takes more than 3 months to have a decent chance to get one specific raid gear.
To just put the numbers at it.
Boss drops 3 pieces of gear for you, 1 is a must have for you. Boss drops 4 pieces of gear for 20 players so there is 4/20 chance to even got a piece of gear, and then 1/3 chance to get what you want… (4/20)(1/3)=0.06666
10 runs gives you 50% chance to get that item.
20 gives 75% chance.
And we are expected to repeat this every raid…
Haven’t done dungeon in a while so dunno if it’s still just 2 pieces, but i got 13 runs for 50% for one desired piece assuming the dungeon have 8 pieces of loot.
9 runs for 3 pieces.
I think the thing that annoyed me the most is discounting the loot I already have. So I can’t upgrade my 210 IQD because I finally got one just before the change came in. The number of farm groups for DoS last week was unreal.
I prefer to cut one of mine hands that deal with memeforging.
BiS means Best in Slot
You cannot progress beyond your best in slot by definition, if you get an item thats better then your best in slot then what you thought was your best in slot was actually not your best in slot.
Bad faith arguement, assume everyone who disagrees with you has [reprehensible quality] (in your case ‘watches streamers’) which allows you to, in your mind, nullify their voice and opinion to unworthy and undesirable, you’re not the first to do it and unfortionately you will not be the last.
I’m a casual who doesn’t consume wow creator content, youtube, twitter, twitch or otherwise, I despise any form of RNG forging and will forever be against it, even sockets and tetriarry stats which should be on professions to make them more meaningful.
Because we really need more loot RNG in this game…